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This question has been on my mind ever since I played this masterpiece by Raymanni (Ryemanni).

There have been many fangames throughout the years, but Redemption really feels on another level. I hope I will not offend any of the other notable creators, as I have not played or seen every one of the listed fangames. However, Rayman Redemption clearly surpasses every Rayman fangame I have seen, including Raymanni's earlier projects. Heck, it surpasses some of Ubisoft's commercial titles (if only for use of better technology). Redemption really feels like the expanded and remastered version of Rayman 1. Something you would think Ubisoft could do if they had this idea of building a bigger better version for next-gen consoles. Those who don't know better could easily mistake it for an official game, and many who played it consider it one of the best fan games ever made.

So what do I envision when I say "make it canon"?

First and foremost, I would like to see pages on the wiki. Not on some third party wiki like Fandom, under "fangames" section, but on RayWiki.
I would like to see the music tracks added to Raytunes.
"Official" walkthrough videos would be nice.
I want it to be considered as source material for the TTQ and ROTG.
(well, it already is, because I made it such during the last season I hosted, and no one can stop me, but you get the point).

How to organize the wiki?

Because of the way Redemption was built - heavily based on the original resources AND remaking all the original levels (plus adding more), I am undecided on whether it is better to make individual pages for everything in it, or add content to existing pages.

For example, consider Allegro Presto. Should there be a new page called "Allegro Presto (Rayman Redemption)", just like we have, for instance, separate pages + disambiguation page for LOTLD in various games? Or should there be a section in the original page ("In Rayman Redemption"), like we have for other topics.

I feel the former approach would be easier and clearer for the level pages, because currently the Rayman 1 the level pages are not divided into sections, but the maps are displayed side-by-side, and differences between platforms are mentioned inline. The differences between Redemption and any other version of Rayman 1 are much more significant, so attempting to cram them into the same page might end up disruptive to the flow and confusing.

For characters/items, the latter approach (adding a section to existing pages) seems more natural, since this is how it is done so far. Many such objects are features across multiple games and their appearances already are different enough.

Thoughts?

Greetings here.

Rayman Redemption is a greatest Rayman fan game in our days. Just because gameplay of the game is almost indistinguishable from the original game. But in addition to the existing mechanics of the original game, the levels have been changed. And besides this, Riemanni added new levels and locations, new bosses and elements of the battle with existing bosses and much, much more.

I don't know if RayWiki can do it in such a way as to make articles with this game. But the idea itself is very interesting, and I can even support this idea.

If I was working on level articles from Rayman Redemption, then I would probably do according to your first option. After all, again, Redemption has new levels. And they should be separate articles. But when making such a decision, there may be confusion between the levels from the original game and the levels from Redemption. I just think so, because some levels from the original are too different, while others are not in all details. For the rest of the article with a title like "Allegro Presto (Rayman Redemption)" it will be clear that this is a level from Redemption and fans will not have any questions.

The only question I have will be this: Will they be able to write an article about a fan game on RayWiki? After all, if I'm not mistaken, RayWiki doesn't seem to make articles about any fan games. And it's understandable why - we're not going to create a whole article about "Rayman washes his hands"? But if, say, RayWiki could make articles about Redemption... Can we create articles about some another good fan games? Don't know, that maybe insane, but I think that we can create Wiki-articles about fan-games thus supporting the content of fans who are working to create good games for our favorite game series. At the same time, we must strictly control the process of creating such articles in order to prevent any situations due to which fan creativity will somehow harm users.

The last one was superfluous, I know, but I added my thoughts on how ReyWiki could be developed further. At the same time, I can work on the Russian RayWiki.

Don't forget the upcoming fangame "Rayman Polokurse" which looks amazing!

I understand your point of view, but I don't know if it would be advisable to do so for two reasons. First, I think the RayWiki should be solely and exclusively for material made by Ubisoft (or related to Ubisoft, like the Rayman 4 project), as a kind of encyclopedia with the original material. I think that putting fangames on the RayWiki would deviate quite a bit from that purpose.

Secondly, I think you hit the nail on the head yourself.

I hope I will not offend any of the other notable creators, as I have not played or seen every one of the listed fangames.

What criteria do you choose when adding a fangame to the RayWiki? Should we add all of them or just a few? Should it be voted on in the forum? I don't know, I think it can be a big source of problems. I consider that if the fangame has its own section within the forum -where they deservedly get plenty of support from the people - it is much more than enough.

You bring up some legitimate issues.

One way to manage it to avoid them, would be to have a special 'fangame' section of the wiki as well, which could be expanded at will, by the same curated volunteering activities that take place on the main wiki.

Every fangame can have a section then, and the amount of content added would be proportional to the depth of the fangame and its popularity, just like happens with the official games, really.

it's simple: the Fangame is considered canon from its quality, it is useless to make a fangame canon if it is not neat, I do not want to say that they are mediocre but being a fan of video games does not mean that we are able to make them. Moreover Ubisoft has done nothing with Rayman for years so it would be strange to deny the plans of the fan who takes care of him during Ubi's absence.

dr_st wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:07 pm One way to manage it to avoid them, would be to have a special 'fangame' section of the wiki as well, which could be expanded at will, by the same curated volunteering activities that take place on the main wiki.

Every fangame can have a section then, and the amount of content added would be proportional to the depth of the fangame and its popularity, just like happens with the official games, really.

This idea sounds better than my thoughts about fangames having articles when I first joined.
Albeit, I was kinda wacked back then....

Why is this even a question? Rayman Redemption was not made by Ubisoft so it isn't canon. It's a non-canon fangame.

If you’re not on the rayman team you can’t “make rayman redemption canon” it’s simple, we don’t have the power to

You really think the people on the Rayman team give a toss about the canon?

I mean, apparently they gave a thought to the name ‘Bzzit’

On a serious note, though, they probably don’t. Otherwise Origins would be the prequel they originally designed the game to be and Legends would be who knows where in the universe!

Wait bzzit’s name is canon?

Not really. It's from Revolution, which some consider canon, others (including me) don't.

The waters got muddied when the person who wrote the achievements for Rayman Classic consulted RayWiki, found the assertion that the first boss in Rayman 1 is Bzzit, and wrote a description based on that "fact"

I’ve always called it bzzit, but never played revolution (only PC and 3DS versions) although I don’t consider it canon if it was officially put in by Ubisoft, a similar situation to the origins PSVita cutscenes

I've always found the Rayman cutscene to be....weird. Yea I think for me that's the nicest way to put that.

The Globox story makes much more sense

I had 0 words after watching it

Oh God, please move the discussion about the made-up mosquito and bald Rayman out of my thread. ☠

The mosquito part isn’t the problem, it’s the raymegg that is my sleep paralysis demon

I must agree with DaveRattlehead that RayWiki should be solely about official material (like Bzzit ), and that drawing a line between the fangames that should covered and those that should not will likely be very subjective and problematic.

This is why, should we decide to document fan games, the best course of action would be to do it in a separate location, and to be rather permissive about which ones are notable enough to be included. After all, I doubt many people will bother documenting obscure fan games that nobody cares about!

Hunchman801 wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:41 pm I must agree with DaveRattlehead that RayWiki should be solely about official material (like Bzzit ), and that drawing a line between the fangames that should covered and those that should not will likely be very subjective and problematic.

This is why, should we decide to document fan games, the best course of action would be to do it in a separate location, and to be rather permissive about which ones are notable enough to be included. After all, I doubt many people will bother documenting obscure fan games that nobody cares about!

Isn’t there already a dedicated section for fangames?