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==Ports and Remakes?==
I've noticed that while remakes and ports do link back to their source games, (eg. Revolution to Rayman 2), they don't really give much link to other games in the series, do you guys think we should have a section on this template for Ports and Remakes?--[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 17:49, 2 March 2014 (CET)
:I fear it might be a bit too cluttered with the countless ports and remakes in the series. Maybe we could give it a try here on the talk page though? —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 01:32, 3 March 2014 (CET)
::With the recent template fiddling I've done, I think we could very well make a template including ''every'' Rayman game, but for the sake of demonstrating, here's a quick 'un with a few bits and pieces:
{| class="navbox mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" width="100%" style="margin: 0 auto 0 auto; padding: 0.2em; border-width: 2px; border-style: solid; border-color:#f0b708; background:#14190E; colspan=5 !important"
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! align="center" style=background:#AA0000 colspan=5 |<span>''[[Rayman (series)|Rayman series]]''</span>
|-
! align="left" style=background:#AA0000 colspan=1 rowspan=2 width=90px |<span>Main series</span>
| style=background:#141900 colspan=4 | [[Rayman 1|''Rayman'']] (1995) &bull; [[Rayman 2|''Rayman 2: The Great Escape'']] (1999) &bull; [[Rayman 3|''Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc'']] (2003) &bull; ''[[Rayman Origins]]'' (2011) &bull; ''[[Rayman Legends]]'' (2013)
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! align="left" style="background:#AA0000;width:95px" colspan=1 |<span>Remakes/Ports</span>
| colspan=4 | ''[[Rayman Gold]]'' (1997) &bull; ''[[Rayman Designer]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 60 Levels]] (1998) &bull; ''[[Rayman Forever]]'' (1999) &bull; ''[[Rayman Collector]]'' (1999) &bull; ''[[Rayman Funpack]]'' (1999) &bull; ''[[Rayman 100 Levels]]'' (1999) &bull; ''[[Rayman Compilation]]'' &bull; [[Rayman By His Fans]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Revolution]]'' (2000) &bull; ''[[Rayman Advance]]'' (2001) &bull; ''[[Rayman 1 & Rayman 2 Double Pack]] (2002) &bull; ''[[Rayman 10th Anniversary]] (2005) &bull; ''[[Rayman DS]]'' (2005) &bull; ''[[Rayman DSi]]'' (2009) &bull; ''[[Rayman 2: The Great Escape (iOS)]]'' (2010)  &bull; ''[[Rayman 3D]]'' (2011) &bull; ''[[Rayman 3 HD]]'' (2012)
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! align="left" style=background:#AA0000 rowspan=2 |Portable titles
! align="left" style="background:#AA0000" colspan=1 |Handheld
| style=background:#141900 colspan=4 |''[[Rayman (Game Boy Color)|Rayman]]'' (2000) &bull; ''[[Rayman 2 Forever]]'' (2001) &bull; ''[[Rayman 3 (Game Boy Advance)|Rayman 3]]'' (2003) &bull; ''[[Rayman: Hoodlums' Revenge]]'' (2005) &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids (Game Boy Advance)|Rayman Raving Rabbids (GBA)]]'' (2006) &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids (DS)|Rayman Raving Rabbids (DS)]]'' (2007)
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! align="left" style=background:#AA0000 colspan=1 |Mobile titles
|''[[Rayman Garden]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Golf]]'' (2002) &bull; ''[[Rayman Bowling]]'' (2002) &bull; ''[[Rayman 3 (Symbian)|Rayman 3]]'' (2004) &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids (Symbian)|Rayman Raving Rabbids]]'' (2006) &bull; ''[[Rayman Kart]]'' (2007) &bull;  ''[[Rayman Jungle Run]]'' (2012) &bull; ''[[Rayman Fiesta Run]]'' (2013) 
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! align="left" style=background:#AA0000 colspan=1 |Spin-off titles
|style=background:#141900 colspan=4 |''[[Rayman M]]'' (2001) &bull; ''[[Rayman Arena]]'' (2002) &bull; ''[[Rayman Rush]]'' (2002) &bull;  ''[[Rayman Legends Beatbox]]'' (2013)
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! align="left" style=background:#AA0000 colspan=1 |Educational titles
| colspan=4 |''[[Rayman Junior]]'' (1996) &bull; ''[[English with Rayman]]'' &bull; ''[[Learning French with Rayman]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Activity Centre]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Dictées]]'' (1998) &bull; ''[[Rayman CP]]'' (1999) &bull; ''[[Rayman Maternelle]]'' (1999) &bull; ''[[Rayman Premiers Clics]]'' (2001)
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! align="left" style=background:#AA0000 colspan=1 |Cancelled titles
| style=background:#141900 colspan=4|''[[Rayman (early production)#Super Nintendo Entertainment System version|Rayman]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 2 (cancelled prototype)|Rayman 2]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 4 (cancelled prototype)|Rayman 4]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids (cancelled prototype)|Rayman Raving Rabbids]]''
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! align="left" style=background:#AA0000 colspan=1 |Miscellaneous
| colspan=4 | ''[[Tonic Trouble]]'' (1999) &bull; ''[[Globber]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman vs Cullcut]]'' (2001) &bull; ''[[Slap, Flap and Go]]'' (2011) &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids]]'' (2006) &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids 2]]'' (2007) &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids TV Party]]'' (2008)
|}
:::Like I said, not got everything, but I think it's a good start--[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 03:24, 13 April 2014 (CEST)
:::Ok then, I got bored and decided to put in everything, might need a few things moving about, but I think that's everything. --[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 13:33, 13 April 2014 (CEST)
::::The Rayman series are huge if we really count every spin-off title, but that's a good start indeed. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 00:46, 14 April 2014 (CEST)
:::::I wouldn't blame anyone if they felt we'd need to split things up, but at the same time, the amount of templates we have, or would need, is excessively high in my opinion, we need better links between articles, and less articles in semi-isolation. I came up with the above Nav Box having seen [http://www.mariowiki.com/Template:Mariogames Mario Wiki's], I think you'd agree that what we've got here pales in comparison to that. As for the other Wiki you suggested; [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Template:Core_series Bulbapedia], they seem to also be all-inclusive, but rather than have all on one template, they have a section at the bottom of each template to navigate to others. Either ways, I appreciate the feedback, Haruka. I'm curious as to what the other have to say as well. --[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 01:02, 14 April 2014 (CEST)
::::::I don't think there's any need to split the games at all. Many of the ports, handheld games etc are more closely connected to the main series than they are to their own group, so it makes no sense to differentiate them for navigational purposes on this basis. On Wikipedia there's currently something of a movement to remove bracketed years of release from works of fiction in navboxes, and it's something I've gradually come to agree with – unlinked text is unhelpful and creates clutter. Only include disambiguation if two games in the same subgroup have identical or almost-identical titles.
::::::A better way of organising the spin-offs and remakes would help; maybe we could give that subgroup additional subgroups for each game? That might necessitate some awkward repetition, but it might be worth it for the navigational value. A Raving Rabbids subgroup is probably necessary. A subgroup for Rayman-related non-Rayman games (like BG&E) should also be considered, because those articles are basically going to be orphaned without one. Maybe a subgroup for Flash/online games?
::::::Something else to consider is removing the word "Rayman" from the beginning of each game's title in the navbox, since it's in every one and can be taken for granted while vastly reducing the space consumed by saying "Rayman" 59 times in rapid succession. That's how Wikipedia does it anyway. Worth a mock-up. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 01:31, 14 April 2014 (CEST)
:::::::Good point about removing the "Rayman" in every game title, it would help to save space. I also agree with the Rayman and Non-Rayman games subgroups, not just because of the BG&E example you gave but also the Rabbid games that are not linked with Rayman anymore (Rabbids Go Home onwards). I have the feeling there are missing games for the Flash/Online games category. At least I remember there was the Pirate Shoot, Globox 2000, the GBC Rayman and the webbased Rayman. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 01:40, 14 April 2014 (CEST)
::::::::Alright then, I'll move the template over to my [[User:Master/Todolist|User Page]], and see if I can make the relevant changes.--[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 01:46, 14 April 2014 (CEST)
:::::::::That Mario navbox is hideously bloated by unnecessary disambiguation, absurd overuse of the words "Mario" and "Super", and whitespace that could easily be avoided by more economical alignment of text. I wouldn't worry about it. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 01:52, 14 April 2014 (CEST)
::::::::::Right, Spiral's made a very good edit to the Navbox on my test page, so I'm inclined to agree with his view on ignoring the Rayman title where possible. The issue now is shifting things around to better groups. --[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 21:52, 14 April 2014 (CEST)

Your latest version wouldn't be my preference. I just don't see the need to have three large (and largely empty) horizontal red bars rather than one. I'm sure there's a way to incorporate the Rabbids spin-offs without swelling the navbox like this. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 00:37, 15 April 2014 (CEST)
:Fair enough, I'll revert and see what we can do with that revision --[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 00:40, 15 April 2014 (CEST)
::Can you figure out a way to vary the lengths of individual clusters of subgroups? The spin-offs and portable subgroups only need to be as long as the "Educational" and "Remakes/ports" strings respectively in order to maintain consistency within each subgroup, which is all that's necessary. Varying their length will also make the navbox more intuitive to navigate, and easier on the eye in general.
::I'd do more of the work myself, but frankly I've completely forgotten how all these rowspans, colspans and widths work. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 01:48, 15 April 2014 (CEST)
:::I'll give it a shot, but I haven't had any luck thus far. Either ways, I think it's looking pretty good. --[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 01:54, 15 April 2014 (CEST)
::::From now on I think we should just work in the actual templates rather than your user page. This isn't some weird little experiment we're doing, we're just bringing the templates up to standard. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 02:02, 15 April 2014 (CEST)
:::::Fair enough, I'll see about replacing this current template with the one on my page--[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 02:10, 15 April 2014 (CEST)
::::::It's looking great! Can you adjust the spin-offs subgroups so that they wrap tightly around the word "Educational", and adjust the supergroups on the left so that they don't go beyond the length of the word "spin-offs"? Once that's done the whole template will be extremely neat and compact. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 13:01, 15 April 2014 (CEST)
:::::::Alright, just tweaked with percentages, and it's done the trick --[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 13:13, 15 April 2014 (CEST)
::::::::I just have a suggestion. Games like Rayman Gold and others for example aren't exactly remakes and/or ports. I would classify them as re-releases. Would you mind if I added the word? --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 01:19, 16 April 2014 (CEST)
:::::::::I see what you mean, though perhaps we should add another group for re-releases, as opposed to adding it into the (already quite long) heading?--[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 01:38, 16 April 2014 (CEST)
::::::::::I would oppose splitting remakes and re-releases, since there's no clear line between the two. Many remakes are also ports. It's just too complicated. Extending it to something as long as "Remakes/ports/re-releases" isn't really an option. Maybe we could rename the subgroup something like "Variations", "Derivatives" or "Later releases" (though none of those are quite right)? —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 02:03, 16 April 2014 (CEST)
:::::::::::"Variations", "Derivatives" and "Later releases" would sound really wierd, I think they wouldn't fit quite much. We can try to keep like things are provisorily until there's a better alternative for that. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 13:02, 16 April 2014 (CEST)

== Pictures ==
As of now, the template feels very messy with all these games, remakes, ports etc. listed. I was thinking if there could be some way to make it easier to navigate, like adding pictures? Here's a quick test of how it could be:
{| class="navbox mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" width="100%"
|-
!class="header" colspan="5"|[[Rayman (series)|''Rayman'' series]]
|-
!class="header" style="text-align: left;" rowspan="4"|<small>Main series</small>
|colspan="4"|<small>[[File:Life.gif|link=Rayman 1|30px|frameless]] ''[[Rayman 1|Rayman]]'' &bull; [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=Rayman 2|30px|frameless]] ''[[Rayman 2|2: The Great Escape]]'' &bull; [[File:BlackLum.png|link=Rayman 3|30px|frameless]] ''[[Rayman 3|3: Hoodlum Havoc]]'' &bull; [[File:Bubble_lumking.png|link=Rayman Origins|30px|frameless]] ''[[Rayman Origins|Origins]]'' &bull; [[File:PurpleLum.png|link=Rayman Legends|30px|frameless]] ''[[Rayman Legends|Legends]]''</small>
|-
!class="header" style="text-align: left;"|<small>Remakes/ports</small>
|colspan="3"|<small>''[[Rayman Revolution|Revolution]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Advance|Advance]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Ultimate|Ultimate]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman DS|DS]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman_(Nintendo_DSi)|Rayman (DSi)]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 2: The Great Escape (iOS)|2 (iOS)]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 3D|3D]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 3 HD|3 HD]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Classic|Classic]]''</small>
|-
!class="header" style="text-align: left;"|<small>Game packs</small>
|colspan="3"|<small>''[[Rayman Gold|Gold]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Forever|Forever]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Collector|Collector]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 100 Levels|100 Levels]]''  &bull; ''[[Rayman Funpack|Funpack]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Platin Collection|Platin Collection]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Compilation|Compilation]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Collection|Collection]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 3-Pack|3-Pack]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 1 & Rayman 2 Double Pack|1 & 2 Double Pack]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 10th Anniversary|10th Anniversary]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Origins & Rayman Legends Double Pack|Origins & Legends Double Pack]]''
|-
!class="header" style="text-align: left;"|<small>Unreleased</small>
|colspan="3"|<small>''[[Rayman (early production)|Rayman]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 2 (cancelled prototype)|Rayman 2 (2D)]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 2 (early production)|Rayman 2 (3D)]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 3 (early production)|Rayman 3]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 4 (cancelled prototype)|Rayman 4]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids (cancelled prototype)|Raving Rabbids]]''</small>
|-
!class="header" style="text-align: left;" rowspan="2"|<small>Portable</small>
!class="header" style="text-align: left;"|<small>Handheld
|colspan="3"|<small>''[[Rayman (Game Boy Color)|Rayman]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 2 Forever|2 Forever]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 3 (Game Boy Advance)|Rayman 3]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman: Hoodlums' Revenge|Hoodlums' Revenge]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids (Game Boy Advance)|Raving Rabbids]]'' (GBA) &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids (DS)|Raving Rabbids]]'' (DS) &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 (DS)|Raving Rabbids 2]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids TV Party (DS)|Raving Rabbids TV Party]]''</small>
|-
!class="header" style="text-align: left;"|<small>Mobile</small>
|colspan="3"|<small>''[[Rayman Garden|Garden]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Golf|Golf]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Bowling|Bowling]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 3 (mobile phone)|Rayman 3]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids (mobile phone)|Raving Rabbids]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Kart|Kart]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids TV Party#Mobile phone version|Raving Rabbids TV Party]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Jungle Run|Jungle Run]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Fiesta Run|Fiesta Run]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Adventures|Adventures]]''</small>
|-
!class="header" style="text-align: left;" rowspan="4"|<small>Spin-offs</small>
|colspan="4"|<small>''[[Rayman Designer|Designer]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman 60 Levels|60 Levels]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman By His Fans|By his Fans]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman M]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Arena|Arena]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Rush|Rush]]'' &bull;  ''[[Rayman 3 Print Studio|3 Print Studio]]'' &bull;  ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids Activity Centre|Raving Rabbids Activity Centre]]'' &bull;  ''[[Rayman Legends Beatbox|Legends Beatbox]]''</small>
|-
!class="header" style="text-align: left;"|<small>Educational</small>
|colspan="3"|<small>''[[Rayman Junior|Junior]]'' &bull; ''[[English with Rayman]]'' &bull; ''[[Learning French with Rayman]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Activity Centre|Activity Centre]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Dictées|Dictées]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman CP|CP]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Maternelle|Maternelle]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Premiers Clics|Premiers Clics]]''</small>
|-
!class="header" style="text-align: left;"|<small>Flash</small>
|colspan="3"|<small>''[[Globber]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman vs Cullcut]]'' &bull; ''[[Globox 2001]]'' &bull; ''[[Pirate Shoot]]'' &bull; ''[[Slap, Flap and Go]]''</small>
|-
!class="header" style="text-align: left;"|<small>[[File:Rabbidadventure.png|link=Rabbids (series)|30px|frameless]] ''[[Rabbids (series)|Rabbids]]''</small>
|colspan="3"|<small>''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids|Raving Rabbids]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids 2|Raving Rabbids 2]]'' &bull; ''[[Rayman Raving Rabbids TV Party|TV Party]]''</small>
|-
!class="header" style="text-align: left;"|<small>Related</small>
|colspan="4"|<small>''[[Rayman: The Animated Series|The Animated Series]]'' &bull; ''[[Tonic Trouble]]'' &bull; ''[[Beyond Good and Evil]]'' &bull; ''[[Academy of Champions: Football]]''</small>
|}
So, what do you think? Would adding pictures be a good idea? --[[User:Carrot-master|Carrot-master]] ([[User talk:Carrot-master|talk]]) 13:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

:I'm not a huge fan of it, looks harder to read and navigate to me with the images. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 18:29, 9 December 2016 (UTC)