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:::It is possible, but there are no evidences that both characters are the same king corrupted twice. I agree about the Ice Teensy thing, but for now I can't think in a better name. Isn't Teensette ok? I know it has got a sense more to the side of "Female Teensie" but what if it could be her name? I can't think in a better name for the Dragon Chef other than Gourmand Land's King or something. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 02:01, 10 May 2012 (CEST)

:::Geez, then I got it wrong, sorry guys. I'm against of the idea of the Angry Bird being the same character as the Mocking Bird, we don't have enough evidence to proof that, but if the ost titles are fake, then I think we should change it's name. What about Guardian Bird? or maybe the name that we found in the files: "Guardian of the Music World"? The name Teensette is okay, the Bubble Dreamers calls her "Teensetteness". if we remove the -ness (which adds some random adjetive significance), the name that we get is Teensette, and -ette is a stereotypical way to identify a female character by the ending of the name. Uglette is a good example, I don't see why wouldn't this work on a Teensy. And about the Ice Teensy... I don't know, we can't really think about a better name for that one, he wears an ice-themed costume, as opposed to the Fire Teensy, and we don't seem to know anything else. "Dragon Chef" is more like a support name, it's better than calling him by his old name "Fire King" but I don't know, it's all your decission...--[[User:Sergiomonty|Sergiomonty]] 03:40, 10 May 2012 (CEST)

::::You really don't see the resemblance between the two bird bosses? All of their basic features are the same, except that the Mocking Bird looks more dishevelled and contorted. He's basically a heroin-addict version of the previous ~~bosss~~. I've uploaded a direct comparison [http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q388/spiraldoor/birds.png here].

::::You really don't see the resemblance between the two bird bosses? All of their basic features are the same, except that the Mocking Bird looks more dishevelled and contorted. He's basically a heroin-addict version of the previous boss. I've uploaded a direct comparison [http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q388/spiraldoor/birds.png here].

::::There's really no evidence that the developers intended the female Teensy's name to be 'Teensette'. Yes, the Bubble Dreamer calls her 'Your royal Teensetteness', but that doesn't imply anything abour her name. You could correctly address Queen Elizabeth II as 'Your royal Highness', but that doesn't mean her name is 'High'. I would suggest moving the article to [[Female Teensy]] or [[Her Royal Teensetteness]].

::::There's really no evidence that the developers intended the female Teensy's name to be 'Teensette'. Yes, the Bubble Dreamer calls her 'Your royal Teensetteness', but that doesn't imply anything abour her name. You could correctly address Queen Elizabeth II as 'Your royal Highness', but that doesn't mean her name is 'High'. I would suggest moving the article to "Female Teensy" or "Her Royal Teensetteness".

::::I suggest we avoid the [[Ice Teensy]] controversy altogether by merging that article with the one for female Teensy. The two characters clearly have a close connection, and not enough information is available to merit a separate page.

::::I don't know what we should call the Dragon Chef, but the current name is the best unofficial one I can imagine, so we should probably leave that article where it is until we can determine what he's really called. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 18:26, 10 May 2012 (CEST)

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:::::::::I could drag this out for another while, but I see that no one agrees.

:::::::::Moving on: I don't think [[Guardian Bird]] is an appropriate title. Why create a name when we already have a perfectly official one – [[Guardian of the Music World]]? The current title of the [[Giant Eel]] page is also unofficial: we should move it to [[Guardian of the Ocean World]]. And could someone remind me how [[Mini-Murray]] fits into all this (and why he doesn't have an article)? —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 20:41, 11 May 2012 (CEST)

::::::::::Those sound better for me, if "Guardian of Desert of the Dijiridoos" and "Guardian of the Sea of Serendipity" look too big. Aren't Mini-Murrays those ~~invisible~~ carnivourous fishes that ocasionally appear in level fragments (not to be confused with Baby Piranhas)? Would this mean that the Last King is a bigger Murray? This would be confusing because the real form of the Last King is a shrimp. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 20:58, 11 May 2012 (CEST)

::::::::::Those sound better for me, if "Guardian of Desert of the Dijiridoos" and "Guardian of the Sea of Serendipity" look too big. Aren't Mini-Murrays those invincible carnivourous fishes that ocasionally appear in level fragments (not to be confused with Baby Piranhas)? Would this mean that the Last King is a bigger Murray? This would be confusing because the real form of the Last King is a shrimp. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 20:58, 11 May 2012 (CEST)

:::::::::::Murray's also a dragon, and to complicate matters further, his name is a pun on 'moray', which is a type of eel. It seems that the developers couldn't make up their minds what sort of creature they wanted him to be. The 'moray' link strengthens his connection with the Mini-Murrays, who appear in the 'Aim for the Eel' level. There's an icon on the map called 'moray.png', but I'm not sure if it's Mini-Murray or the Guardian of the Ocean World – I've just noticed that they look very similar indeed.

:::::::::::We know that the last king is simply named Murray. I would hazard a guess that the Mini-Murrays are his offspring, and that the Guardian of the Ocean World is also related to him in some way. The same may be true of the Mocking Bird and the Guardian of the Music World. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 22:23, 11 May 2012 (CEST)

:::::::::: I agree, Guardian of the Music World sounds better. However, this brings back an old problem I was thinking about. The idea of calling an article [[Desert of Dijiridoos]] to talk about both the Desert of Dijiridoos and the Grumbling Grottos seems kinda inappropiate. I propose to use the specific nomenclatures that we found in droolie's files to name the lands, to avoid giving priority only to the first four worlds. Jungle World, Music World, Food World and Ocean World, If you all agree, we can rename the articles. By the way, let's keep the Giant Eel article, Giant Eels appear to be species, they can be seen in various levels; we can create an article for the Guardian of the Ocean World, who acts as the boss of Gourmand Land's frontier and is in fact a Giant Eel.--[[User:Sergiomonty|Sergiomonty]] 22:09, 11 May 2012 (CEST)

:::::::::::Your suggestion that we move the world articles does make sense, but 'Jungle World' and so on are extremely dull names that don't do justice to the game at all. For the time being, I'd rather stick with the current names, even if they are semi-inappropriate. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 22:23, 11 May 2012 (CEST)

::::::::::::I am not in favour of the current name: it's already extremely long and contrived, so we could as well change it to 'Guardian of the Desert of Dijiridoos'; to quote Spiral, 'Music World' sounds 'extremely dull [and doesn't] do justice to the game at all'. I believe 'Angry bird' or 'Guardian bird' are much better alternatives.

::::::::::::As concerns the names of the worlds, please continue the discussion here: [[Talk:Rayman_Origins#Worlds]].

::::::::::::As concerns the giant eel, please read my remarks here: [[Talk:Guardian of the Ocean World]].

::::::::::::—[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 18:54, 21 May 2012 (CEST)

== Official name finally confirmed? ==

In ''Rayman Jungle Run'', several names of previously unknown characters are revealed at the game's gallery (check the video in the Rayman Origins' topic). This bird is named "Boss Bird". I think we have an official name now. Thoughts? --[[User:Sergiomonty|Sergiomonty]] 22:22, 8 September 2012 (CEST)

:I agree in that. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 22:30, 8 September 2012 (CEST)

::In some levels of ''Rayman Fiesta Run'', that bird is called Tchip-tchip (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdulS892AG5YS7A0-0LpQEA/videos).

::Do you think this is better than "Boss Bird"? --[[User:Boomboleros7|Boomboleros7]] 05:08, 18 May 2015 (CEST)

:::I don't think so. Reminds me of the discussion we had about the level "Cui-cui pas content" and whether the boss was meant to be called "Cui-cui" and this seems to be the same level. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 18:52, 18 May 2015 (CEST)

::::The best option is probably to note the alternate name within the article itself (eg. Boss Bird, also known as '''Tchip-Tchip''') --[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 14:29, 23 May 2015 (CEST)

:::::I disagree, as explained [[:fr:Discussion:Boss Oiseau|here]]. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 14:53, 24 May 2015 (CEST)

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 :::It is possible, but there are no evidences that both characters are the same king corrupted twice. I agree about the Ice Teensy thing, but for now I can't think in a better name. Isn't Teensette ok? I know it has got a sense more to the side of "Female Teensie" but what if it could be her name? I can't think in a better name for the Dragon Chef other than Gourmand Land's King or something. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 02:01, 10 May 2012 (CEST)
 :::Geez, then I got it wrong, sorry guys. I'm against of the idea of the Angry Bird being the same character as the Mocking Bird, we don't have enough evidence to proof that, but if the ost titles are fake, then I think we should change it's name. What about Guardian Bird? or maybe the name that we found in the files: "Guardian of the Music World"? The name Teensette is okay, the Bubble Dreamers calls her "Teensetteness". if we remove the -ness (which adds some random adjetive significance), the name that we get is Teensette, and -ette is a stereotypical way to identify a female character by the ending of the name. Uglette is a good example, I don't see why wouldn't this work on a Teensy.  And about the Ice Teensy... I don't know, we can't really think about a better name for that one, he wears an ice-themed costume, as opposed to the Fire Teensy, and we don't seem to know anything else. "Dragon Chef" is more like a support name, it's better than calling him by his old name "Fire King" but I don't know, it's all your decission...--[[User:Sergiomonty|Sergiomonty]] 03:40, 10 May 2012 (CEST)
-::::You really don't see the resemblance between the two bird bosses? All of their basic features are the same, except that the Mocking Bird looks more dishevelled and contorted. He's basically a heroin-addict version of the previous bosss. I've uploaded a direct comparison [http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q388/spiraldoor/birds.png here].
+::::You really don't see the resemblance between the two bird bosses? All of their basic features are the same, except that the Mocking Bird looks more dishevelled and contorted. He's basically a heroin-addict version of the previous boss. I've uploaded a direct comparison [http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q388/spiraldoor/birds.png here].
-::::There's really no evidence that the developers intended the female Teensy's name to be 'Teensette'. Yes, the Bubble Dreamer calls her 'Your royal Teensetteness', but that doesn't imply anything abour her name. You could correctly address Queen Elizabeth II as 'Your royal Highness', but that doesn't mean her name is 'High'. I would suggest moving the article to [[Female Teensy]] or [[Her Royal Teensetteness]].
+::::There's really no evidence that the developers intended the female Teensy's name to be 'Teensette'. Yes, the Bubble Dreamer calls her 'Your royal Teensetteness', but that doesn't imply anything abour her name. You could correctly address Queen Elizabeth II as 'Your royal Highness', but that doesn't mean her name is 'High'. I would suggest moving the article to "Female Teensy" or "Her Royal Teensetteness".
 ::::I suggest we avoid the [[Ice Teensy]] controversy altogether by merging that article with the one for female Teensy. The two characters clearly have a close connection, and not enough information is available to merit a separate page.
 ::::I don't know what we should call the Dragon Chef, but the current name is the best unofficial one I can imagine, so we should probably leave that article where it is until we can determine what he's really called. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 18:26, 10 May 2012 (CEST)
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 :::::::::I could drag this out for another while, but I see that no one agrees.
 :::::::::Moving on: I don't think [[Guardian Bird]] is an appropriate title. Why create a name when we already have a perfectly official one – [[Guardian of the Music World]]? The current title of the [[Giant Eel]] page is also unofficial: we should move it to [[Guardian of the Ocean World]]. And could someone remind me how [[Mini-Murray]] fits into all this (and why he doesn't have an article)? —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 20:41, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
-::::::::::Those sound better for me, if "Guardian of Desert of the Dijiridoos" and "Guardian of the Sea of Serendipity" look too big. Aren't Mini-Murrays those invisible carnivourous fishes that ocasionally appear in level fragments (not to be confused with Baby Piranhas)? Would this mean that the Last King is a bigger Murray? This would be confusing because the real form of the Last King is a shrimp. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 20:58, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
+::::::::::Those sound better for me, if "Guardian of Desert of the Dijiridoos" and "Guardian of the Sea of Serendipity" look too big. Aren't Mini-Murrays those invincible carnivourous fishes that ocasionally appear in level fragments (not to be confused with Baby Piranhas)? Would this mean that the Last King is a bigger Murray? This would be confusing because the real form of the Last King is a shrimp. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 20:58, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
+:::::::::::Murray's also a dragon, and to complicate matters further, his name is a pun on 'moray', which is a type of eel. It seems that the developers couldn't make up their minds what sort of creature they wanted him to be. The 'moray' link strengthens his connection with the Mini-Murrays, who appear in the 'Aim for the Eel' level. There's an icon on the map called 'moray.png', but I'm not sure if it's Mini-Murray or the Guardian of the Ocean World – I've just noticed that they look very similar indeed.
+:::::::::::We know that the last king is simply named Murray. I would hazard a guess that the Mini-Murrays are his offspring, and that the Guardian of the Ocean World is also related to him in some way. The same may be true of the Mocking Bird and the Guardian of the Music World. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 22:23, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
+:::::::::: I agree, Guardian of the Music World sounds better. However, this brings back an old problem I was thinking about. The idea of calling an article [[Desert of Dijiridoos]] to talk about both the Desert of Dijiridoos and the Grumbling Grottos seems kinda inappropiate. I propose to use the specific nomenclatures that we found in droolie's files to name the lands, to avoid giving priority only to the first four worlds. Jungle World, Music World, Food World and Ocean World, If you all agree, we can rename the articles. By the way, let's keep the Giant Eel article, Giant Eels appear to be species, they can be seen in various levels; we can create an article for the Guardian of the Ocean World, who acts as the boss of Gourmand Land's frontier and is in fact a Giant Eel.--[[User:Sergiomonty|Sergiomonty]] 22:09, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
+:::::::::::Your suggestion that we move the world articles does make sense, but 'Jungle World' and so on are extremely dull names that don't do justice to the game at all. For the time being, I'd rather stick with the current names, even if they are semi-inappropriate. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 22:23, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
+::::::::::::I am not in favour of the current name: it's already extremely long and contrived, so we could as well change it to 'Guardian of the Desert of Dijiridoos';  to quote Spiral, 'Music World' sounds 'extremely dull [and doesn't] do justice to the game at all'. I believe 'Angry bird' or 'Guardian bird' are much better alternatives.
+::::::::::::As concerns the names of the worlds, please continue the discussion here: [[Talk:Rayman_Origins#Worlds]].
+::::::::::::As concerns the giant eel, please read my remarks here: [[Talk:Guardian of the Ocean World]].
+::::::::::::—[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 18:54, 21 May 2012 (CEST)
+== Official name finally confirmed? ==
+In ''Rayman Jungle Run'', several names of previously unknown characters are revealed at the game's gallery (check the video in the Rayman Origins' topic). This bird is named "Boss Bird". I think we have an official name now. Thoughts? --[[User:Sergiomonty|Sergiomonty]] 22:22, 8 September 2012 (CEST)
+:I agree in that. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 22:30, 8 September 2012 (CEST)
+::In some levels of ''Rayman Fiesta Run'', that bird is called Tchip-tchip (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdulS892AG5YS7A0-0LpQEA/videos).
+::Do you think this is better than "Boss Bird"? --[[User:Boomboleros7|Boomboleros7]] 05:08, 18 May 2015 (CEST)
+:::I don't think so. Reminds me of the discussion we had about the level "Cui-cui pas content" and whether the boss was meant to be called "Cui-cui" and this seems to be the same level. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 18:52, 18 May 2015 (CEST)
+::::The best option is probably to note the alternate name within the article itself (eg. Boss Bird, also known as '''Tchip-Tchip''') --[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 14:29, 23 May 2015 (CEST)
+:::::I disagree, as explained [[:fr:Discussion:Boss Oiseau|here]]. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 14:53, 24 May 2015 (CEST)