The Awesome and Cool Poll Thread - Poll #131: Would you pay more taxes if it meant receiving a pension when you retire?
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Early? Well, the poll was over, so the suggestion is more than welcome! Here we go…
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Essentially I agree with everything you say here. But I went with "publicity stunt" after figuring out that this thing had people lining up to buy stamps, which is obviously a welcome spike in revenue for the postal service in this day and age.Adsolution said:
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Ah, that makes sense. I don't know how getting stamps works anyway, since I don't think I've ever sent a letter outside of elementary school where we got assigned a pen pal for a couple months.
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It doesn't bother me that much, mainly because it's also tradition to learn the truth at some point. Santa is almost anti-religious in that way, lol - I'm imagining the parents of a religious family revealing it to their kid, and kid asking "so does that mean Godman isn't real either, for the same reason?" "Oh, no son, no!"
I don't think it's a very honest way to teach a lesson though, so No. Instilling the importance of critical thinking at a young age would allow the kid to debunk it on his or her own much earlier on.
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It doesn't bother me that much, mainly because it's also tradition to learn the truth at some point. Santa is almost anti-religious in that way, lol - I'm imagining the parents of a religious family revealing it to their kid, and kid asking "so does that mean Godman isn't real either, for the same reason?" "Oh, no son, no!"
I don't think it's a very honest way to teach a lesson though, so No. Instilling the importance of critical thinking at a young age would allow the kid to debunk it on his or her own much earlier on.
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I don't have much of a problem with kids growing up believing in Santa. It's tradition, and I haven't heard of or known of any kids throwing a tantrum and/or feeling betrayed as if their parents straight up lied in their faces. I'm sure all they care about at the end of the day is getting the presents, no matter what the name of the giver is on them.
Myself included; I don't remember the moment I figured out he wasn't real, but I do remember that I was ok with it. I was just happy to get the cool presents.
Myself included; I don't remember the moment I figured out he wasn't real, but I do remember that I was ok with it. I was just happy to get the cool presents.
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I bhink it's important to distinguish how Santa is treated around the kids, I'm fine with parents doing it to make Christmas more exciting but I totally oppose the idea of "behave or Santa will put coal in your sock" because it's a reward-based morality that you shouldn't teach your kids. I think that can lead into that sort of thinking you see with fundamentalists where they start making up their own definition of being a good person and as long as they adhere to that well then they're totally the good guys.
I figure the best way to handle it would be to subtly encourage them at a certain age to start asking questions about it and slowly peel away at it for the truth, I think most people would argue it's a good lesson about lying and I agree but it's even more effective if they realise the lie themselves. For them to make that conclusion of like well, I trust my parents but I think they're bullshitting me is a much more accurate example than playing the trusted liar and then exposing yourself.
I figure the best way to handle it would be to subtly encourage them at a certain age to start asking questions about it and slowly peel away at it for the truth, I think most people would argue it's a good lesson about lying and I agree but it's even more effective if they realise the lie themselves. For them to make that conclusion of like well, I trust my parents but I think they're bullshitting me is a much more accurate example than playing the trusted liar and then exposing yourself.
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I completely agree with what you're saying here. As a kid, I thought Santa could read your mind or something, so I tried to force myself into not thinking of anything bad when Christmas came around and it stressed me quite a bit...
Also, on the other hand; I DO think it's a good idea to let kids figure the truth out for themselves. I specifically remember debunking the whole Santa thing when I was a little kid. I was in the kitchen with my mom asking her if Santa could get me "insert expensive product here" ( I honestly don't remember what it was ). She told me it was too expensive, even for him. I asked her: "But Santa is magical, couldn't he create it outta nowhere?". My mom laughed for a bit after hearing that, which eventually led me to the conclusion that he was indeed fake.
What I don't agree on however, is having so many fake magical entities (tooth fairy, three kings, Santa, etc.), since I think that makes it even worse when you discover the truth.
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If their referendum shows that the people want independence, then I say let it be. After what the Spanish government did, they probably want it more than ever now.
Seriously, what message was the government trying to send by throwing an army into a gymnasium with nothing in it but a couple people and a folding table and beating everyone up? That they have the absolute worst resource management and are mentally retarded?
Seriously, what message was the government trying to send by throwing an army into a gymnasium with nothing in it but a couple people and a folding table and beating everyone up? That they have the absolute worst resource management and are mentally retarded?
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Yeah, I'm not super up-to-date with Spain's politics but I'm inclined to support their independence when their current government acts outright authoritatively towards citizens exercising a basic right. How the feck did they not think that would backfire?
The only real drawback I see is that Catalonia could be struck by some economic downfall as a result but I always find that kind of a shortsighted argument against major political changes. It reminds me of when people argue against taxing the wealthy over here in Burgerland because "the rich might pull out!" - yahe, and them outsourcing jobs, monopolising markets and price gouging the shit out of consumers is the better alternative
The only real drawback I see is that Catalonia could be struck by some economic downfall as a result but I always find that kind of a shortsighted argument against major political changes. It reminds me of when people argue against taxing the wealthy over here in Burgerland because "the rich might pull out!" - yahe, and them outsourcing jobs, monopolising markets and price gouging the shit out of consumers is the better alternative
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I just want to say that the decision over Catalonia's future direction is a matter for the people who live there, and the Catalan and Spanish Governments are perfectly entitled to take positions for and against independence.
However, I believe that it is right for all people have the right to self-determination and to choose the form of government best suited to their needs.
Their right to determine their future should be respected.
I vote for the support in Independence.
However, I believe that it is right for all people have the right to self-determination and to choose the form of government best suited to their needs.
Their right to determine their future should be respected.
I vote for the support in Independence.
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jaja yea you xDPluMGMK said:
