Rayman 3 scores

[Haruka]

first, haruka, because you maybe don't want to read everything I'm going to say xD
I'd say it's time to play TOTL

Sounds good for me.

or probably FC for 30.000. however, I was always horrble at making such suggestions as I pretty much followed my own order... xD

Holy smokes, I'm going to die... XDDDD OK I'll see if I can do it.

[sfn42]

@Haruka: You could also try TLOTLD. Getting 100000 there is like passing the first milestone on the way to Rayman 3 glory.

[Haruka]

@Haruka: You could also try TLOTLD. Getting 100000 there is like passing the first milestone on the way to Rayman 3 glory.

Well it is my favorite level so... XD

[sfn42]

TLOTLD is indeed a nice level, especially because it is the least glitchy level in the game.

[DTUCC]

I wouldn't worry about it. It's luck for those who can get additional points, and luck plays a big part in scoring in this game - just think about the Razoff glitch. Besides, PC players have the advantage when playing part 3 TBOM, right?

everyone has some advantages here and there. however, if MandM restarts playing and improves his FC score, it's practically impossible for PC and GC to overtake him anymore. there's the 300-points-advantage against PC players in HH and DOTK, and there's the 300 points in FC agains GC players. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that I or anyone else will be able to overtake MandM during the next weeks. My point is, that MandM practically has perfect scores in every level as soon as he replayed FC. And even if anyone else (except you) reaches such "perfect" scores in FC, LS and SBTC, one will still be behind. No offense against MandM or anyone else. The HoF alone might still be the best way to judge players. Even if they have like 845K points. But everything past 850K (or at last 852K - 853K) needs to be judged on more factors than only the total score.
As said, I don't expect anyone to get close to MandM in the next few weeks, or even months. But I expect it to happen somewhen.

[Xenon]

No offense against MandM or anyone else. The HoF alone might still be the best way to judge players. Even if they have like 845K points. But everything past 850K (or at last 852K - 853K) needs to be judged on more factors than only the total score.

This is the argument I've been supporting in my last few posts. However, I think a player has every right to take advantages their console gives them... it's just unrealistic to say this game would be otherwise completely fair, because it wouldn't. I earlier highlighted some examples (my favourite being part 3 TBOM). The HoF doesn't list, say, how many hours each player has been played for, or how many restarts each player has made... it only lists total score, which, as I've been arguing, isn't completely representative of how good we are.

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@Xenon: You are it worth being the 3rd player in the world. I did a ranking, where I said, which player earned to be the world champion, and I gave some reasons, that you would be the 5th, who earned to be the champion. I said, that I never have heard of you since the last months, and sfn told me, that you are a player, which found out the fewest things about rayman 3. Another reason, that you are "only" the 5th! So don't be offened, i din't dis you!

[MandM81]

Cut: And the reason I wasn't worthy of being no. 1 was that I played too much of my own combos You're so utterly full of bullshit. You just made up some weird rules so that German players were at the top of your list.

DTUCC: You're on a slippery slope with your special rules about missing points on account of different platforms. I didn't hear you put this view forward when you hit Razoff four times, something that most likely can't be done on other platforms. You didn't volunteer to withdraw these extra 800 points you earned back then. Also, you never know what happens. Until a few weeks ago it was the pc players that had the advantage. Now it has changed. Next year it might be something new.

[Mountain Goat]

You just made up some weird rules so that German players were at the top of your list.

That's not the whole truth, he said, it would sound strange if I would be Number 1
Anyways, let's get back to the game, I started playing Rayman 3 again and arrived at Part 7. All in all, I needed 40 minutes until then, but I'm lacking in motivation currently.

[DTUCC]

DTUCC: You're on a slippery slope with your special rules about missing points on account of different platforms. I didn't hear you put this view forward when you hit Razoff four times, something that most likely can't be done on other platforms. You didn't volunteer to withdraw these extra 800 points you earned back then. Also, you never know what happens. Until a few weeks ago it was the pc players that had the advantage. Now it has changed. Next year it might be something new.

well, now that i talked to xenon and you about this, i'm also not too sure about it anymore... I was way too fixed on the maximum-score-problems the game offers. anyway, i have to say that i haven't played R3 on XBox and PS2, so I can't say anything about the glitches and how they work there. i could test in on PC as I have a Rayman 3 PC version, but... i'm kinda too lazy to do that... it's not that i don't believe what you guys tell me, but as long i haven't tested that myself i won't start an argument about that.

however, i come to realize that it would have to be judged on a lot more factors than only the maximum scores. there are a lot other platform differences, and as you said ago, I also don't know how the single them all out in order to make a fair game. and it's probably asked too much to think about that.
however, i don't think the PC players will ever get any other advantage as they don't have the lums glitch. there's no maximum the can extend. probably i'm wrong. i just can't imagine right now.

still, (to be straightforward now xD) it would just piss me off if i end up being 300 points behind you someday
also, if xenon would end up being 300 points in front of me. and i'd also feel rather sorry for mostwanted or someone else if he ends up being close behind me...

and for the razoff glitch: back than I believed everyone could do it if one was just as lucky as i have been. as said, I don't know hoe the razoff glitch is working on different platforms (anyway i might try it on pc this weekend because i'm getting curious...), so i won't argue about that. i don't know enough about it.

by the way, is there a name to rename me? i'm used to stay in the HoF as DTUCC... and everyone is calling me DTUCC here, so...

[PluMGMK]

You can PM Hunch and ask him to change your username, I think.

[DTUCC]

I'll try, thanks... ;D

[MandM81]

Anyways, let's get back to the game, I started playing Rayman 3 again and arrived at Part 7. All in all, I needed 40 minutes until then, but I'm lacking in motivation currently.

Part 7 of what? DOTK? If so, I thought you already had the maximum score there. And yes, talking about the game is indeed much more fun.

DTUCC: I think it will be quite a while before we need to open a debate on different platforms. I'm sure there will be new combos, new ideas and such in the future. I for one will need time to improve on my scores, and I can't even begin on that project for a long time to come.

[DTUCC]

well, probably... i don't what's going to be found in the next months... no one knows... i just fear it start to get way too unfair somewhen and i don't like that idea...

by the way, may i ask, what exactly is the matter with your hand? i just wonder what happened in order to prevent you from playing for months.

and for the game: I'm already at part 3 of SBTC. i found another launching glitch which might be an alternative way for the green gem. it's actually under the platform you land on in order to trigger the normal launching glitch. however, by now I never managed to get launched right so i don't know if it's possible to do it that way. i either got launched not high enough or waaay too high

[MandM81]

Hmm, I'm beginning to think I misunderstood you. What do you suggest we do about the game being unfair?

About my hand, a few weeks ago it all of a sudden swelled to double size and it was painful as hell. It is now normal size again, but I can't move my fingers without it causing pain. The doctor's verdict was an infection in the nerves and ligaments (if it's called that) in the hand caused by strain. It could be as long as a few months before I regain my dexterity. Needless to say your outings in FC only add to my pain

There are so many launching glitches in SBTC part 3. Some of them are really cool. The one you found sounds interesting. Are you able to combine it with the gems after the Hoodlock? And can you make a video of it?

[sfn42]

I would be interested in a video of that glitch as well. Especially as I soon will be at the snowboarding part (hopefully).

EDIT: First step done. I've finished part 1 of SBTC with 19940.

[DTUCC]

MandM: my basic idea was just to calculate away all the extra points, meaning 100 in DOTK, 200 in HH and 300 in FC (depending on the different platforms, of course...) in order that everyone would have the same maximum scores.
i don't think you misunderstood me, though...

btw, it hurts me as well that you still know something in CF which I don't...

about the launching glitch: i do it with the same platform as you do. i just recently figured out something interesting:

you can drive up the wall which is exactly under the platform i'm talking about. if you then move to the far left you'll get launched high in the air. it's way too high and you even miss the line of yellow gems and the green one. also, when you're close to reaching the ground, you just get teleported back and fall down at the place you were launched.

it's pretty useless for now, but my idea is if you reach the edge without touching the platform, you may just do a normal jump which allows you some kickflips. and i hope it'll provide enough kickflips to make 111.500 possible.

i don't know if that explanation is clear to anyone, so...
i'll see if i can make a video.

[MandM81]

A video would be the right thing

Do I know something in CF that you don't? What is that?

[DTUCC]

i acutally meant FC... xD

by the way, i managed to get out 6 or 7 additional kickflips. i'm still testing if there's more possible, but according to MandM's video, 7 kickflips is what you get out of the launching glitch... also, I got this only once by now, and i still have to practice a lot...

[MandM81]

I still think you're on a slippery slope with this idea. May I remind you, a few weeks ago you would have claimed 800 points extra for GB rather than the now 300 points. You can't predict what happens in the future.

And in the light of this idea of yours, may I ask you three hypothetical questions:

1. If you hit Razoff six times in BOM part 6 for a total score of 101.199 points. Will you claim these 400 extra points right away, or will you wait and see if this is possible on all platforms before you claim this score? I personally don't think it's possible on all platforms.

2. Same question for BOM part 5. You got 800 extra points because you hit Razoff four times. Since this has never been done on other platforms, and most likely can't be done, should we deduct you these 800 points?

3. I have 853k points in my maximum score game, the one I use for HoF. However, in another game I have a level where my score is higher than the corresponding level in my maximum score game. Should I be able to add this score to my maximum score in HoF? Or is the HoF deciding the maximum score in this case? I could provide a photo of the score in the other level of course.