Religion – your views

i remenbered a long time ago something that my dad sayd that doesnt make to much sense fo someone catolike:he sayd that hell is in earth,that we had to pay in some way when we do something bad right here on earth,so this means that if we die we go to heaven or earth
actually i dont really bilieve in god because,in the his of adam and eva,did he sayd he created dinossaours,yes some people like *cough* cough* spiral *cough**cough* may say that im been imature,but how do explain the fact,that the human bean didnt learn the intellingece right away,the rock age,they were like animals and they learn step by step

Well, keep in mind, the materials were not immediately discovered or created by humans. Adam and Eve were banished from Eden for eating the forbidden fruit, when being directed not to. Now you ask about dinosaurs, but assuming they kept hostility, they very well could have been outside of Eden. Of course, the Bible didn't specify things such as what animals were there or where they were, but that they were all named. Though they did not attack Adam and Eve.

but lets think about another little thing:adam e eve were already evoluted humans and consedering the fact we found many of the not evoluted human skulls.
i mean something like this: they were not this
they were already the reverse

Henchman 800 said:

Well, keep in mind, the materials were not immediately discovered or created by humans. Adam and Eve were banished from Eden for eating the forbidden fruit, when being directed not to. Now you ask about dinosaurs, but assuming they kept hostility, they very well could have been outside of Eden. Of course, the Bible didn't specify things such as what animals were there or where they were, but that they were all named. Though they did not attack Adam and Eve.

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Why don't we have forbidden fruit these days? :F
Well, according to the Mormons, God decided to bury a bunch of bones and make people believe something that wasn't true... and that's one of those reasons you could never get me to believe.

@Raytunes.
There is no evidence that God exists, but there also isn't any decisive evidence that he doesn't exist.
God can't be put in a formula for math or something, and if people believe this, don't think they're morons for doing so.

EDIT: Mormons have nothing to do with Christians, and I think EVERYONE here can understand that.

Rsandee said:

@Raytunes.
There is no evidence that God exists, but there also isn't any decisive evidence that he doesn't exist.
God can't be put in a formula for math or something, and if people believe this, don't think they're morons for doing so.

EDIT: Mormons have nothing to do with Christians, and I think EVERYONE here can understand that.

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There's no evidence to prove he exists, but there's a lot of evidence that shows he probably doesn't exist. There's also a hundred percent factual evidence that most of the "word of god" is false or doesn't exist, so that means any god you yourself believe in is your own creation, not anything experienced, shown or taught to you.

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Rsandee said:

@Raytunes.
There is no evidence that God exists, but there also isn't any decisive evidence that he doesn't exist.
God can't be put in a formula for math or something, and if people believe this, don't think they're morons for doing so.

EDIT: Mormons have nothing to do with Christians, and I think EVERYONE here can understand that.

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There's no evidence to prove he exists, but there's a lot of evidence that shows he probably doesn't exist. There's also a hundred percent factual evidence that most of the "word of god" is false or doesn't exist, so that means any god you yourself believe in is your own creation, not anything experienced, shown or taught to you.

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What evidence are you talking about?
Show it.
As I said, God can't be put in a formula.
And you can't prove he doesn't exist, because he never set a foot on earth.
The only thing you can prove is that there could be a big bang or something.

Henchman 800 said:

Well, keep in mind, the materials were not immediately discovered or created by humans. Adam and Eve were banished from Eden for eating the forbidden fruit, when being directed not to. Now you ask about dinosaurs, but assuming they kept hostility, they very well could have been outside of Eden. Of course, the Bible didn't specify things such as what animals were there or where they were, but that they were all named. Though they did not attack Adam and Eve.

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thebrazilianskaarj said:

but lets think about another little thing:adam e eve were already evoluted humans and consedering the fact we found many of the not evoluted human skulls.
i mean something like this: they were not this

they were already the reverse

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What a conundrum! Fortunately, I have the solution:

Adam & Eve are fictional characters.
The last of the species that are commonly thought of as dinosaurs went extinct about 65 million years ago (although there are many extant species dinosaur species today; birds).
The most recent common ancestors of the Hominidae (great apes) appeared about 14 million years ago, and the first Homo Sapiens (modern humans) appeared in Africa about 200,000 years ago, which means that humans and dinosaurs never interacted in any way.

An interesting theory Tobbe, if only there were some sort of extensive fossil record to support what you've said.

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I know. And it would be even better if there was overwhelming genetic evidence supporting such a fossil record.

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Actually, you proved nothing with that.
You only proved that human's and dinosaur's never interacted with eachother.

Now, this may very well be true, but unfortunately, the Bible DOESN'T mention DINOSAURS in ANY way.
Also, the generally accepted age for Earth and our solar system is 4.55 billion years.
Yet, it's almost (not saying this is true, I have no idea) proved that it's not older than 6000 years.

It might look like I'm bullshitting my way out of this, but as I've said, I'm not sure.
I vaguely remember that there was no life possible on Earth before those 6000 years.

Also, the absence of evidence, is not the evidence of absence.

Rsandee said:

Yet, it's almost (not saying this is true, I have no idea) proved that it's not older than 6000 years.

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No, it isn't. This is completely wrong.

Rsandee said:

I vaguely remember that there was no life possible on Earth before those 6000 years.

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I very clearly remember that a lot of Creationists make this claim, and I also remember the most common non-reason they give for making it. The argument goes like this: The strength of the Earth's magnetic field is decreasing (this is correct). This means the magnetic field used to be stronger (which is, of course, also correct). In fact, just 8000 years ago, the strength of the magnetic field would have been too great to permit life to exist on Earth. Therefore, life can't be older than that.

I have now conclusively proven that life can't have appeared on Earth before 6000 BC. I will now go on to prove that the claim that people lived in my home town Trondheim before this summer is utter nonsense:

Yesterday, the temperature in Trondheim was 17^oC. Today it's 16^oC. This, of course, means that the temperature in Trondheim is decreasing, which means it used to be hotter. So hot, in fact, that the temperature in May would have been well over the boiling point of water, making the city uninhabitable, and thus rendering the claim that people have lived in Trondheim for many years completely wrong.

I'll leave it up to you to spot the flaw in these arguments. If you can manage that, you are officially smarter than a Creationist. Congratulations.

That's a very obvious flaw.
Temperature doesn't decrease by 1oC a day, and the boiling point of water is 100oC.
Boiling water is impossible with 17oC.

If the Earth's magnetic field was insanely high 8000 years ago, life wouldn't be possible.
But, such a difference would be impossible in 8000 years?

Rsandee said:

If the Earth's magnetic field was insanely high 8000 years ago, life wouldn't be possible.
But, such a difference would be impossible in 8000 years?

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You saw the point, took aim, and fired. But you missed it by half a mile. I suggest you adjust your sights and try again.

I wasn't done with my post.
I usually get a whole hour in this thread.
I just finished editing it and then I saw your post.

Rsandee said:

@Raytunes.
There is no evidence that God exists, but there also isn't any decisive evidence that he doesn't exist.
God can't be put in a formula for math or something, and if people believe this, don't think they're morons for doing so.

EDIT: Mormons have nothing to do with Christians, and I think EVERYONE here can understand that.

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OK, but there is also no evidence that there isn't a invisible planet called ''Blaargh''on which 1,500 copies of me run around like crazy idiots, wear Smurf suits, eat purple ice cream and worship RayFan while crushing a snail with their feet and saying ''It's A Me! Mario!'' because they just received nine messages on their iPhone's saying ''Tee Hee Hee!'' that have all been marked as Spam because the creators of the phone think Japan is gay and have written a book about the fact that more than 400 hamburgers were eaten in Hogwarts during the 1998 because they were really hrungry and all yelled ''Lotsa Spaghetti!'' on Christmas Eve. Oh, they also did all this while listening to the new single from OK Go.

Just because there isn't evidence, doesn't mean we have to believe. But if I put this in a book and call it ''The Bible'' we suddenly think it's real?

Think about it, religion has changed over the years. Greek gods could be just as real as the ones we believe in these days. However we don't get scared from lighting because a God is striking the clouds with his hammer.

RayTunes said:

Rsandee said:

@Raytunes.
There is no evidence that God exists, but there also isn't any decisive evidence that he doesn't exist.
God can't be put in a formula for math or something, and if people believe this, don't think they're morons for doing so.

EDIT: Mormons have nothing to do with Christians, and I think EVERYONE here can understand that.

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OK, but there is also no evidence that there isn't a invisible planet called ''Blaargh''on which 1,500 copies of me run around like crazy idiots, wear Smurf suits, eat purple ice cream and worship RayFan while crushing a snail with their feet and saying ''It's A Me! Mario!'' because they just received nine messages on their iPhone's saying ''Tee Hee Hee!'' that have all been marked as Spam because the creators of the phone think Japan is gay and have written a book about the fact that more than 400 hamburgers were eaten in Hogwarts during the 1998 because they were really hrungry and all yelled ''Lotsa Spaghetti!'' on Christmas Eve. Oh, they also did all this while listening to the new single from OK Go.

Just because there isn't evidence, doesn't mean we have to believe. But if I put this in a book and call it ''The Bible'' we suddenly think it's real?

Think about it, religion has changed over the years. Greek gods could be just as real as the ones we believe in these days. However we don't get scared from lighting because a God is striking the clouds with his hammer.

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Some bullshit you got right there..
The Bible is a book, and in that book there are ''stories'', for example a great flood.
This ''great flood'' has been proved to exist.
There are fossils of it, and there was discovery of an underwater coastline in the Black Sea off of the coast of Turkey that is four hundred feet under water, which is the amount of water that the ocean level rose after the flood.
It's not ''decisive evidence'' that God exists, but it DOES mean that not everything in that book is bullshit.
That planet of yours, doesn't because you obviously made it up, and not even a single ''fact'' of it has been proved to exist.
And the fact that nobody have heard or seen of it, and that it's impossible that they know even the slightest bit of our planet.

Well, there are 1,500 copies of me, so maybe i'm an Alien then?
Of course the book has some meaning in it, but that doesn't mean i'm going to read bullshit about Noah's Ark. He must have been a good researcher to two of every insect.

Fuck it, im worshiping Allah from now on.

Rsandee said:

I wasn't done with my post.
I usually get a whole hour in this thread.
I just finished editing it and then I saw your post.

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No matter, you still missed the point completely.

The message I was trying to get across is this: While it is true that the strength of the Earth's magnetic field has been decreasing for the last 100 years or so, and that life would have been impossible here just 8000 years ago if we extrapolate backwards in time, the arguments builds on the faulty assumption that the strength of the magnetic field always has been decreasing. The fact to the matter is that the strength of the magnetic field, like the temperature, fluctuates, which can be shown by analysis of magnetite deposits.

Oh, and:

Rsandee said:

This ''great flood'' has been proved to exist.

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Hahahahaha!

Evidence, plz?

RayTunes said:

Well, there are 1,500 copies of me, so maybe i'm an Alien then?
Of course the book has some meaning in it, but that doesn't mean i'm going to read bullshit about Noah's Ark. He must have been a good researcher to two of every insect.

Fuck it, im worshiping Allah from now on.

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Good, do me a favour and go suicide bombing somewhere else, preferrably in the Middle East. (Mecca maybe?)
We've got enough deaths in Europe because of them.

The message I was trying to get across is this: While it is true that the strength of the Earth's magnetic field has been decreasing for the last 100 years or so, and that life would have been impossible here just 8000 years ago if we extrapolate backwards in time, the arguments builds on the faulty assumption that the strength of the magnetic field always has been decreasing. The fact to the matter is that the strength of the magnetic field, like the temperature, fluctuates, which can be shown by analysis of magnetite deposits.

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And you think, that I, a 14 year old Dutch citizen, can explain that in such detail in a different language?