Rayman: Revenge of the Dark

[Tortwag]

Oh, yeah, that image for haloween. It'll be creepy indeed, I hated those enemies in the Knaaren desert, back in Rayman 3... I hated them more in this game than in rayman 2.

[R3fan2]

Do you think Grove of Glass Leaves is a good name for Glassdrop Grove: Brawly? I didn't want to name the recording Brawly.

[Adsolution]

I'll be renaming those all something else, but no, I don't like that name very much, it's just an expanded way of saying "Glassdrop Grove." I could make a play on words however and call it "Glassdrop Grave" or something of the sort.

[Minor-T5]

I think we can all agree that this time, the chickens need to be as creepy as can be.

Nightmare fuel that would affect me in the same way this affected my younger self?

If the Zombie Chickens from RoTD could exceed that, I would be most impressed.

Those mini janos are just nasty.

[LKPettin2]

I think we can all agree that this time, the chickens need to be as creepy as can be.

Nightmare fuel that would affect me in the same way this affected my younger self?

If the Zombie Chickens from RoTD could exceed that, I would be most impressed.

Those mini janos are just nasty.

Wow, I have never seen before that they can eat him...xD Wow.

[saerleiya]

Ah those Zombie Chickens.

I couldn't help myself but thinking to a creepy situation to paint. Get ready, people : Zombies are coming...

[Minor-T5]

Wow, I have never seen before that they can eat him...xD Wow.

Oh, they can...very dangerous.

[LKPettin2]

Ah those Zombie Chickens.

I couldn't help myself but thinking to a creepy situation to paint. Get ready, people : Zombies are coming...

Left 4 Dead!

[R3fan2]

Has my post been forgotten or are you just not interested? If This sounds impatient I apologize, that is not my intention. If you don't want to know about it that is fine with me. Also I apologize to Shrooblord if this post makes me sound insecure.

[Master]

Has my post been forgotten or are you just not interested? If This sounds impatient I apologize, that is not my intention. If you don't want to know about it that is fine with me. Also I apologize to Shrooblord if this post makes me sound insecure.

This topic can get overcrowded with messages now and then, which may limit what Adsolution is capable of reading during her visits.
Try PMing her if you really want to be heard.

[Shrooblord]

Also I apologize to Shrooblord if this post makes me sound insecure.

xD
Listen, it's not that I get angry at you for being insecure - I was merely trying to give you the courage to post more without having fear of being scorned, for that is not what would ever happen. Relax, man. Chilllllll.

EDIT:
Adsolution, don't know if this would help you in any form, since you've been rigging for a long time already, but this is the start of a whole series of rigging tutorial video's by the people at 3DSMax:


They also go into FK, IK and a lot of things I don't, but you probably already do, know about. There might be something useful in there - there's about 18 video's solely on the rigging, so one of them might be worth checking out. I don't know. I'm about to watch it from the start (which also starts with bones) to get back into 3DSMax, and I thought you might enjoy a few of them too.

EDIT II:
Well, I managed to solve the problem I had with that rig I tried to send you. I'll probably never know what was causing it, but the solution was to delete the Skin modifier and delete the CATrig altogether, to then import an exact replica from a preset I'd saved before and reskinning entirely. What a drag... and how strange.

[R3fan2]

I have a few questions about the soundtrack. First which track is the redone Dream Forest track from part 8? Secondly is there any particular order you plan to redo these tracks? Also will there be any redone tracks in the next few soundtrack parts? I'm asking that because ever since I read the list I have been eager about the redone tracks. Lastly which tracks would you consider character themes? I am sorry if you are bothered by these questions. If you are than I promise I won't ask any more for the next week.

[Adsolution]

@Shrooblord: Interesting, but I don't need it so much. It's good that there's finally a detailed, coherent rigging tutorial now though for others.

@R3fan2:
Yes, the next soundtrack part or two will largely consist of remakes. The remake of the Dream Forest track in Part 8 is the first track in Part 27.

[Shrooblord]

Interesting, but I don't need it so much. It's good that there's finally a detailed, coherent rigging tutorial now though for others.

Mainly: me!
I got a whole new appreciation for bones after this tutorial, though I have given CATrig another chance and started rerigging my Stalkbot with another set of CAT bones.

EDIT:
Oh, yeah. I took this screenshot in R2 once and thought you might like it; you can see how Ubi Soft did his hair here.
http://i50.tinypic.com/f2moh4.jpg

Nothing special, but thought you might like to see anyway.

[Adsolution]

Hah, so his hair is detached! From afar (normal camera distance) it always looked like it was part of the same mesh as his head.

Also, are you really sure about using CAT rigs? In my opinion, it's way better to just create your own rig. It doesn't take very long.

[Shrooblord]

Also, are you really sure about using CAT rigs? In my opinion, it's way better to just create your own rig. It doesn't take very long.

As I'm still experimenting with this whole 3D thing, I thought I'd use something that a professional user had encouraged me to use. Look at this post that I received on an animation forum:

with pose to pose how many keys you have between the poses determines how fast the next pose starts. you also have control over the type of curves it uses, step, smooth etc. and a time warp on top of that. the whole cat system is like that. there are 2 or 3 ways to do everything.

its too deep for me to get into it all. cat has a help file, and on the autodesk site if you go to the tutorials section there are videos showing what cat can do and how to do it.

there is nothing better than not having to set keys. except maybe for before or after motion. but using poses without keys saves you time. keep in mind your going to make changes to your animation constanly.

if you have a lot of keys to keep track of, its going to slow you down. opposed to poses with no keys and it doesnt matter how you change it. everything stays in sync and the process moves quickly

So I thought I'd take his advice. Now I haven't done anything with the rig yet; I've only tried setting it up and make it do a basic walking animation. Once I try to make it work in the engine, or even in animation, I'll find out whether I'm pleased with the CAT system or not. Now I've seen what bones can do by watching those tutorials, I know the two sides of it. A lot of me is leaning towards bones now, but since I was already using CAT, I'm inclined to at least try it out once before moving on to something else.

[Adsolution]

The professional's advice is definitely very good advice to follow.

But the reason I stay away from CAT rigs is because it feels like they restrict what you can do, and it over-complicates something so simple. Animation really doesn't need a 'system.' Saving/loading poses could be as simple as duplicating keyframes with SHIFT+DRAG, and that's about the only thing I can think of that even has a point to having in a 'system.'

[Shrooblord]

But the reason I stay away from CAT rigs is because it feels like they restrict what you can do, and it over-complicates something so simple. Animation really doesn't need a 'system.' Saving/loading poses could be as simple as duplicating keyframes with SHIFT+DRAG, and that's about the only thing I can think of that even has a point to having in a 'system.'

That's true, but whereas keyframes are bone and model-specific, the CAT system could be applied to any model, in general. If you have an animation that's fine as it is and you want to just transport that to a different model with a roughly similar - but in the end slightly different - bone model, you could do that with CAT. You export the animation and import it with the new bone rig and you'll be almost sure that it'll turn out right; perhaps you need to tweak it a bit here and there. This is one of the neat features of the saving/loading aspect of CAT.

Or am I mistaken? Can bones also achieve this?

You're right about the restrictions though. I've seen things that you're able to do with bones that I wish were able in CATrigs.

[Adsolution]

You can do this with bones as well. I've never done it so I'm not sure how, but it's possible. It's even easier to do though if you're doing it with a game engine though, since you just need to have the bones named the same in a model, and the animation file will carry over.

[TeensieKing]

What's that Halloween pic everyone's talking about?