WRECK-IT RALPH- Home release, February 2013

[saerleiya]

It's almost something to do with their 3D animated era, it became sillier. We have the odd original film like Brave popping up which was an amazing feature, but they now seem more attuned to fourth-wall jokes and much lighter, less-serious things.

I hope you didn't forget that one.



I agree that most of the last Disney are not so good (I haven't watched Brave yet. Hope I could watch it quickly), especially 3D animated ones. The last 2D ones are just fine (I don't know if I still have Treasure Planet and Emperor's Groove).
But I saw no comments about Wall-E, in good or bad...this one is surely one of the best Disney movies of the last past decade. The songs, the characters, the story...everything fit together (I could develop more but this is not the topic for that). Disney can still make some great movies (critically speaking) even if more of them only make money...

[Adsolution]

You're mistaken; Wall-E is Pixar, which is merely distributed by Disney, not created by.

[Haruka]

If we were talking about Pixar, I would name WALL-E as one of the best movies of PIXAR. I also liked UP and Bug's Life.

[sergiomonty]

UP is my personal favourite. I like Wall-E, but I feel it went out of context as the movie progressed. It had 30 minutes of silent magic, and a cute love story... the rest of the movie involves annoying fat humans and a not so subtle message about ecology. It's still a cute movie with great characters, but I think Toy Story 3 has a strongest plot and more memorable characters like Lotzo.

What keeps me enthusiastic about Wreck-it Ralph is that the director is making a big bet, and I'm not saying that for the characters, the characters are just there to give a more authentic feeling and, why not... boost the movie's views with some videogame fanservice. I'm talking about his expectations; during an interview, he said that he expects people to think at first that the movie that they're going to watch is just a regular animated comedy (like said... Madagascar, Shrek, Bee Movie or Hotel Transylvania) but when they come out of the cinema, they're amazed by how emotional the movie gets and how deep the characters can be (like... a pixar movie!!).

Since Tangled, I trust Disney a little bit more... somehow they actually made me forgive Bolt. Knowing that they have a videogame-based movie in their hands, and that according to some reviewers, the movie follows the routes of Toy Story in a positive way, I'm interested. I want to watch it, and I'm pretty sure I'll like it... it's just my kind of movie. It's not because it has sonic or bowser in it, I don't give three shits about that, I am not one of those people who are led by the popular icons, I'm gonna watch it because the concept seems incredibly well executed.

Edit: New Review

[Adsolution]

It's still a cute movie with great characters, but I think Toy Story 3 has a strongest plot and more memorable characters like Lotzo.

Oh please, saying that Toy Story 3 has a strong plot is like saying that Avatar has a strong plot, except in this case the relative fact is not very well known. I know it sounds like I'm getting really defensive over this, but I'm getting tired of people praising Toy Story endlessly for something it didn't even come up with, and if you aren't sure what I mean, read the latter half of my post here. Yes, I know they shared one of the same writers, and I'm not denying that it's a pretty good movie, but Toy Story really doesn't deserve as much credit as it gets for... anything it does.

[sergiomonty]

I'm not even gonna click the link, I know perfectly you're gonna talk about the Brave Little Toaster story... and you can slap me if you can, it's more like a matter of tastes, but I dislike it. I'm not talking about the movie (which also was pretty meh), but the story itself... there's something about a bunch of living household appliances looking for a boy that just doesn't fit in my head. Sure, it's an old bedtime story, it's not the big deal, but should the Toy Story case be considered a copy?

Nowadays, it's almost completely impossible to, as you say, "come up with something". All of the ideas are already taken, the only thing you can do is take one and give it your own spin of events. Even RROTD, although could have the best plot ever made in the history of fangames, it's obviously full of unstoppable clichés, voluntarily or not, taken from another place (don't consider this a personal attack, it's normal and even I can't do anything about my own drawings when it comes to that point).

Why is Toy Story praised? Because although it is not a complicated story or even innovative, the creativity and ingenuity are never lost. They always add something interesting to the plot, create characters that infiltrate not only the story but also the hearts of the audience, they handle impeccable artistic control, excellent music, and always, despite the constant comedy, maintain a good tone of seriousness and intrigue. Let's not consider Toy Story a copy or something unoriginal because of the Toaster... let's consider the Toaster as the basis of Toy Story. And in my opinion, Toy Story 3 had an excellent plot, and was perfectly executed.

P.D: Actually, some people who worked on the Brave Little Toaster started working on Toy Story later, oh the irony.

[Adsolution]

I'm not talking about that. I'm not talking about what's better. Of course it's a matter of taste.

Clichés are fine and all, but if you would have actually read what I wrote, I literally typed out a paragraph describing one of the movies' stories, then copy/pasted the paragraphs and changed the name. It's the exact same story, right down to every single event relative location that shows up in the movie. This is not the same as having clichés, in fact it has nothing to do with clichés unless you call copy and pasting a movie cliché-ing itself.

I'm merely pointing out that Toy Story doesn't deserve all the creative credit it gets, especially when people praise the story/plot endlessly. Feel free to like whatever you want, but that doesn't change the fact that it is for the most part an uncredited ripoff of what may or may not be a better film.

Maybe I sound a little irritated right now, but that's because you decided to put up an argument without even clicking the damn link that tells you what you're arguing against, because for the most part your argument didn't really answer what I had to say in the link.

EDIT:

P.D: Actually, some people who worked on the Brave Little Toaster started working on Toy Story later, oh the irony.

I already pointed this out in the post I made before yours, which shows you also didn't even read my whole post:

Yes, I know they shared one of the same writers, and I'm not denying that it's a pretty good movie, (…)

[Haruka]

I honestly prefer Toy Story 2 than the 3rd, although I enjoyed the third. The third managed to touch my heart in the end of the movie, I had to wash my face because of tears, but the story is just ok nothing quite big.

[Adsolution]

The second I found to be really creative and it made full use of what it had. The traffic cones, Zerg, the airport, they were all great.

[Haruka]

You said it!

[sergiomonty]

The second one is ironically my least favourite The plot is crazy, but there's something I just don't like about the characters in comparison to the first one. Al is a jerk, and sometimes he's fun, but most of the time he's there just to be your typical gross fat guy who does gross things. Bullseye and Jessy, oh boy, I really disliked them. Jessy's backstory is sad and heartwarming and all, but she just keeps being a bit annoying...

Well, it's my opinion, I have crazy opinions, but this is one of them, I still like Toy Story 1,2 and 3.

P.D: Actually, some people who worked on the Brave Little Toaster started working on Toy Story later, oh the irony.

I already pointed this out in the post I made before yours, which shows you also didn't even read my whole post:

Yes I did read all of your post... I just slighly skiped that part

EDIT: This Tv Spot includes some resumed reviews:



"Spectacular, Destined to be a Classic"- CBS TV

""Imaginative and Hilarious"- RollingStone

You know? fuck the reviews, Q*Bert is fucking adorable in this tv spot

[saerleiya]

You're mistaken; Wall-E is Pixar, which is merely distributed by Disney, not created by.

What about Brave then? Sorry but I can't understand the difference between the two movies if they were Disney's productions or not . Could you help me about this?

About Toy Story : considering The Brave Little Toaster, the second one is surely the most inventive one and many things fit together in it (of course we could talk about the character of Al during hours. Maybe the only lil' thing which annoyed me in this movie, for this I agree with Sir Geo).

Nowadays, it's almost completely impossible to, as you say, "come up with something". All of the ideas are already taken, the only thing you can do is take one and give it your own spin of events. Even RROTD, although could have the best plot ever made in the history of fangames, it's obviously full of unstoppable clichés, voluntarily or not, taken from another place (don't consider this a personal attack, it's normal and even I can't do anything about my own drawings when it comes to that point).

Nowadays, so many concepts have been discovered and used that with any idea you show, there is always an strong inspiration behind it.
Then the problem is the definition of the "cliché". I found ROTD's characters and plot less "cliché" than many others from real video game producers. Another example, did you find that The Joker in TDK got a predictable character in its main aspects? (my point of view, if you want to talk more about this, let's PM or go on another topic now...).

Now the debate is probably going out of the topic. We have other topics to talk about movies we recently watched .
Backing on topic, I need so watch the trailer. I've been so lazy for it those last days gahaha...

[Shrooblord]

The Emperor's New Groove;
The Treasure Planet

I was just about to suggest these! I love them both quite a lot.

My favourite Disney movies would be Jungle Book, Snow White and Brave. If we're going to include Pixar, then Wall-E is definitely right up there and so is Toy Story (I). II was great but I was simply the best for me. Shrek (also I) is probably one of my other favourites. Another classic Disney, for me, is Aladdin.
I really enjoyed The Princess and the Frog; I applaud them for going back to the style Disney once had and I really enjoyed seeing those effects and styles of animating and making songs that I know from old Disneys. Their new approach is quite alright for me as well; in fact, there hasn't been a Pixar (if that counts) yet, like, ever, that has disappointed me. I'm probably going to watch this movie too, even if it's only for the lulz of watching a movie about a game about a movie that was based on the plot of a sci-fi inspired by comics written by the director of the making of of the movie of the game.

[saerleiya]

even if it's only for the lulz of watching a movie about a game about a movie that was based on the plot of a sci-fi inspired by comics written by the director of the making of of the movie of the game.

I'M GONNA WRECK IT!

[Adsolution]

What about Brave then? Sorry but I can't understand the difference between the two movies if they were Disney's productions or not . Could you help me about this?

Brave is an all-Disney production.

Nowadays, so many concepts have been discovered and used that with any idea you show, there is always an strong inspiration behind it.
Then the problem is the definition of the "cliché". I found ROTD's characters and plot less "cliché" than many others from real video game producers. Another example, did you find that The Joker in TDK got a predictable character in its main aspects? (my point of view, if you want to talk more about this, let's PM or go on another topic now...).

Just making sire this is enforced: cliché ≠ copypasta.

[sergiomonty]

Brave is from pixar...



see?

[Adsolution]

It... is? O:

I have been fooled. Alright then, Disney is far worse off than I thought they were.

I don't know why I thought Brave was a Disney production. Probably because the logo was plastered so large on every promotional poster, most of them not even including Pixar's name. Usually it's the other way around.

[sergiomonty]

Probably because the logo was plastered so large on every promotional poster, most of them not even including Pixar's name.

Maybe it was just the large logo, all of the posters have the pixar logo.

Anyways... I'm not trusting pixar next year... I won't lie... Monsters University looks awful. It's a prequel, but come on... the strongest spot of Monsters Inc was the character Boo... now it's all about the clumsy monsters assuming the role of douchebags at the college. It will probably have the same humour as Cars...

[saerleiya]

I don't know why I thought Brave was a Disney production

Considering Pixar is owned by Walt Disney company, we can consider this is a Disney production (literally speaking). But Disney itself is mainly focused into 2D movies. Pixar and Dreamworks took the lead in 3D since Toy Story and Shrek. And Brave and Wall-E are the results of Pixar's work so you are not completely wrong (but not completely right too), although Pixar members are influenced by Disney's older movies...

I just saw the official Trailer of Wreck-it Ralph. I think I maybe see it in the next month : it looks pretty fun (i don't remember which was the last animated movie. Rango or Shrek 4? ).

[Adsolution]

we can consider this is a Disney production (literally speaking).

When something is produced by two entirely different studios that are significantly different than one another, you don't call a Pixar production a Disney production, and judging the quality standards of a company when an entirely different, barely related subsidiary company is producing most of the good movies isn't really right. Favourite Disney movies should be kept to Disney, and favourite Pixar movies should be kept to Pixar.

Maybe it was just the large logo, all of the posters have the pixar logo.

Not in my cinema, which is strange, I actually looked extensively for the Pixar logo and none were to be found. There wasn't a Pixar introduction at the beginning of the film either. Maybe there was some funny business?