In conclusion, what version results the most complete?

[Adsolution]

There is no Pong game, it's just Breakout. It was obviously edited by someone who thinks that all virtual ball games can be labelled 'pong' (that's like calling tennis hockey!), since there's no mention of 'Breakout' anywhere in the article.

[Lexis]

To Master, so regard the most number of points on PS2 and Xbox versions is simply a matter of method to play more rawly than the GameCube version, you confirm that?
Do you know what other differences there are between the PS2, GameCube and Xbox versions of the game (a part the audio-video quality)?

Regarding Rayman, I put the same question but it is directed solely at Haruka since is an expert and would like a response from her: Returning to Rayman for PlayStation or Saturn, I was told on this page by the user Master that the Saturn version is the most complete because had some extra animations, and a few extra effects and sounds, with the best graphics between the two versions than the PlayStation version. Now, why Haruka says that the PlayStation version is the most complete and the best one considering every technical aspect? You may be clear and tell me which of this two versions is definitively the most complete explaining well why?

[Adsolution]

Now, why Haruka says that the PlayStation version is the most complete and the best one considering every technical aspect? You may be clear and tell me which of this two versions is definitively the most complete explaining well why?

They both have their own differences, but generally, the Saturn has a few more additions.

The PlayStation version has that the Saturn doesn't:
- Some extra foreground fog and weather effects.

The Saturn version has that the PlayStation version doesn't:
- Extra animations for crawling uphill and downhill.
- Some backgrounds are newly animated. For instance, the Sun in Gong Heights shimmers, and the windows in Mister Dark's arena shatter once he's defeated.

The differences:
- Some backgrounds are swapped around in the Saturn version. Personal preference here, though most tend to favour the PlayStation background choices.
- While some of the sound effects in the PlayStation version are already pitched-up slightly, all the sound effects in the Saturn version are pitched-up by an entire octave. Personal preference here again, but almost everyone favours the less-pitched PlayStation sound effects.

Regarding Rayman, I put the same question but it is directed solely at Haruka since is an expert and would like a response from her

To be fair, anyone who knows the differences are at liberty to tell them. Most everyone here are 'Rayman experts' per se, or at least enough so to be able to explain the fairly trivial differences between the PS1 and Saturn versions.

I'm quite sure what Haruka meant by the PlayStation being the most 'complete' was that it's basically the definitive version, with the Saturn's modifications being 'deviations' from it. Nearly every later re-release, port of or reference to the game has been based off the PlayStation version (or the PC version, because the PC version is aesthetically faithful to the PlayStation version in that, while the graphics and effects are dumbed-down slightly and some minor level design changes were made, there were no 'artistic' changes made that weren't to the actual gameplay itself). The PS1 and Saturn versions are the exact same game bar some non-gameplay-affecting artistic changes such as background swaps, differently-pitched sound effects, and some extra animations/effects here and there.

[Lexis]

Thanks, you've been very clear! For this reasons I will purchase both versions.

To Master, so regard the most number of points on PS2 and Xbox versions is simply a matter of method to play more rawly than the GameCube version, you confirm that?
Do you know what other differences there are between the PS2, GameCube and Xbox versions of the game (a part the audio-video quality)?

[RibShark]

There are a few visual differences between the Gamecube and PS2 versions, such as the main menu, and the last part of the Fairy Council (which is purple in the Gamecube version but orange in every other version). There are also a few differences in the text between versions ("Find the outfit that will make their heads turn!" vs "Try to make their stilts whirl around."), but there is no major differences between the GCN and PS2 versions, other than their being less minigames for the PS2 version. I'd go for the gamecube version myself.

[Adsolution]

Hm, I've never owned the PS2 or Xbox versions, but to my knowledge, they're pretty much the exact same (someone correct me on this if I'm wrong). I can however name some features exclusive or different to the GameCube version, almost all solely to do with the Arcade (I'm only well-educated on the PC and GC versions):

- 2D Madness requires a much higher score to unlock, and can only be played if you have a Game Boy Advance with Rayman 3 for it linked to the console.
- Mad Trax is a GameCube-exclusive minigame that once again requires a GBA to be linked to the console (though it doesn't require the GBA Rayman 3), and it's basically a form of Tetris; the GBA player controls the blocks that fall down, and the GC player has to drive in shoe-mode across the blocks the GBA player is dropping.
- 2D Nightmare is another GameCube-exclusive minigame, which is similar to 2D Madness, but instead of being linear it's an exploratory, and it takes place in Picture City. No one knows how to unlock it, and the only person who's ever been able access it, L.M. Murfy, left and never showed his face again immediately after posting the video he made of it. We don't know if he legitimately unlocked it or somehow hacked his way in.
- Wheelis.
- Some minor text changes - RibShark ninja'd me.

Also, all the versions have the exact same graphical quality, neither have worse or better graphics than the other as a whole, at least not to any degree that anyone's picked up on yet. The Fairy Council thing RibShark mentioned was the only difference I noticed as well, and I didn't even notice it at first.


sfn already explained most of this at the start anyway, and I'm pretty sure that the PS2/Xbox versions are the same, minus the above exclusive GameCube content.

[Lexis]

I agree, however, that the best versions are those issued initially and that everything starts from there, I think so too!

At any rate I can speak behalf of the PlayStation 2 version since I have been owner of Rayman 2 TGE and Rayman 3 HH (not collected) for PS2 and PC, and I can say myself that the PS2 version of R3HH is the same as the Xbox version, but the Xbox version shows a more defined, detailed, resoluted and fluid graphics, effects of shade, water and fog absent in all other versions (except the PC version) and Dolby Digital who is absent only in the PS2 version, just look at this video and you'll immediatly notice the details present in the Xbox version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju-t4XpZtgQ (the video quality is low, however, this although unable to give an idea, and then imagine that glory must be the Xbox version is when played live).

Anyway I already own the Xbox version sealed; I'm just looking for the GameCube version sealed!

The PS/PS2 versions of last two titles of Rayman series are too "poor" for an esigent collector like me, so I categorically abandoned the idea of ​​collecting even PlayStation versions of Rayman series (apart the first Rayman for obvious reasons and Rayman M because is an exclusive!)

To Master, so regard the most number of points on PS2 and Xbox versions is simply a matter of method to play more rawly than the GameCube version, you confirm that?

[Haruka]

Lexis sent me a PM concerning the Saturn/PS1 confusion, and I replied but I will take the chance to quote my response:

(...) I only saw gameplay of the Saturn version and played few in the emulator, but it is true there are extra animations (like a background of Band Land that has got some sparkling stars or Mr. Dark's windows shattering after being defeated, or even the end-of-level transitions) and some sound changes but in my opinion, especially for the sound factor, the PlayStation version features better sound effects. Now for the animations it is really minor differences that don't affect gameplay at all. For graphics, at least for me they seem equal but I might be wrong (since I never played the game in a real Saturn in order to evaluate that). Resuming, both versions are very identical in content. It is up to you to pick one or other, but I think regardless what you choose, you'll have a very good Rayman 1 experience.

Unless he is interested in those extra animations and doesn't care a lot for some high-pitched sound effects, he could go for the Saturn version. In here it is already a matter of preference.

[Adsolution]

so regard the most number of points on PS2 and Xbox versions is simply a matter of method to play more rawly than the GameCube version, you confirm that?

Are you using a translator? This sentence is very difficult to understand. What do you mean by 'rawly''?

[Lexis]

Raw (ly) = my way to mean a "rude" or "pushed" or simply "raw" gameplay, to totalize more points in the PS2/Xbox versions than the GameCube/PC versions!

I want to know if Master meant that these two versions can score more points because they have a more "strong" gameplay? Or for other reasons not yet explained to me!

PS: no translators, I'm writing!

[OCG]

Lexis sent me a PM concerning the Saturn/PS1 confusion, and I replied but I will take the chance to quote my response:

(...) I only saw gameplay of the Saturn version and played few in the emulator, but it is true there are extra animations (like a background of Band Land that has got some sparkling stars or Mr. Dark's windows shattering after being defeated, or even the end-of-level transitions) and some sound changes but in my opinion, especially for the sound factor, the PlayStation version features better sound effects. Now for the animations it is really minor differences that don't affect gameplay at all. For graphics, at least for me they seem equal but I might be wrong (since I never played the game in a real Saturn in order to evaluate that). Resuming, both versions are very identical in content. It is up to you to pick one or other, but I think regardless what you choose, you'll have a very good Rayman 1 experience.

Unless he is interested in those extra animations and doesn't care a lot for some high-pitched sound effects, he could go for the Saturn version. In here it is already a matter of preference.

Too bad he does not even want to play them and just wants to buy sealed versions and keep them sealed

Raw (ly) = my way to mean a "rude" or "pushed" or simply "raw" gameplay, to totalize more points in the PS2/Xbox versions than the GameCube/PC versions!

I want to know if Master meant that these two versions can score more points because they have a more "strong" gameplay? Or for other reasons not yet explained to me!

PS: no translators, I'm writing!

I never heared that word "Raw" has that kind of meaning. It is usually used to say that something is original, for example an file containing anime without fan translation and just original (Raw) footage

[Lexis]

Too bad he does not even want to play them and just wants to buy sealed versions and keep them sealed

For me this is not a real collection if the games are not sealed!

I want to know if Master meant that these two versions can score more points because they have a more "strong" gameplay? Or for other reasons not yet explained to me!

[OCG]

I think it's just how versions were programmed. Although I might be wrong.

[Master]

I myself aren't enough of a hardcore scorer to give examples of the differences, you'll need to ask one of the Rayman 3 scoring chaps about that. I can only be so vague and say that there are some tricks for scoring that don't work in some versions, what it comes down to, I don't know, but that's the fact.

[Lexis]

Many thanks to all, you were great, it see that you take to heart and seriously every aspect of our myth Rayman. Your help has been indispensable to me!

[Lexis]

One last thing about Rayman, wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayman_(video_game) states that only in the Atari Jaguar version the bomb explosions have a glow-effect and smoke and Mr. Skops' lava has glowing/smoke effect, but I checked and this feature is always present in the other version except this! You can also clarify this doubt?

[Master]

The Wikipedia Rayman article is badly written.

[Dart]

My advice, start using the Raywiki for Rayman info.

[OCG]

RayWiki has very good info on R1.

[Lexis]

I know, I use Raywiki for practically everything about Rayman, but on some informations Raywiki also has its limits, such as in this case, therefore, I re-put the question to those who were able to give me an answer, however thaks to all.

One last thing about Rayman, wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayman_(video_game) states that only in the Atari Jaguar version the bomb explosions have a glow-effect and smoke and Mr. Skops' lava has glowing/smoke effect, but I checked and this feature is always present in the other version except this! You can also clarify this doubt?