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Which version is your favourite?

PC
116
37%
Nintendo 64
20
6%
Dreamcast
50
16%
PlayStation 1
22
7%
Revolution (PlayStation 2)
94
30%
Forever (GBC)
3
1%
DS
2
1%
iOS
1
0%
3DS
4
1%
 
Total votes: 312

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Re: Rayman 2

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saerleiya wrote:
Wiiola wrote:So it doesn't have to be the same engine?
Meh, if Ubisoft chose to develop a new one specifically for PK, then why not? But you are probably right. The issue was I didn't know Pk was created by Ubisoft when I I answered you back then XD...
If I knew the game wasn't made by Ubisoft, I wouldn't even state that it would run on an engine made by that company! XD
And, well, from what I remember another Donald Duck was proven to run on the Rayman 2 engine (and even has a boss that partially behaves the way Foutch does, at least until you get to the shooting part of the fight), so I don't see why they wouldn't adjust some stuff to make that other game at least a bit different from the Rayman series, too.
Also, the first boss from PK somehow reminded me of the underwater boss from Rayman 3. Could be because of the lasers, that appear during a part of the fight.
saerleiya wrote:
Wiiola wrote:Agreed with you. The game had so much more potential, had it been based more on the PKNA even (which was originally run in 1996-2001, along with its successor, PK2, which ran from 2001 to 2002) - now that would make for something epic, instead of going for a half-cooked idea based on a scrapped prologue for what would eventually become Pikappa (and first 13-20 issues were translated to Superduck in English).
I actually discovered PK with the Pikappa version (only the first three issues though, I wasn't the one buying "Super Giant Scrooge" at that time, the French magazine for Donald, Mickey and co). First two were great, but the design change in the third one caught me a bit off-guard, plus the plot hadn't anything related to Evronians, which was a bit disturbing for a 10 year-old kid (but I liked the story with the 'clone'). Well, maybe I should buy all the issues at some point, it's probably one of the few comic series about Disney characters that I like (and Dimension M, maybe).

What's sure is that i don't know as much about all Donald adventures as you do: I didn't know there were series on PK before the Pikappa one :).
Pikappa is a reboot of the PKNA, and it's generally not liked among fans for not being half of what PKNA used to be in their eyes. Not to mention how PK2, sequel to PKNA, had to be rushed to conclusion thanks to executive meddling. The story for Pikappa (and the draft, that was bundled with UK copies of the PK game for Gamecube) was being worked on sometime during the last 6-8 months of PK2's run, hence the possibility of the game being based on that draft - as I call it - I'd linked to.
Currently they're trying to remedy the rushed story of PK2 with how PKNE (PK New Era) is planned to come out (and the first 4-parter already out).

I still can barely believe that Fethry's French name is Popop, and his alter-ego's - Super Popop! XD I think only the Italian one for the Red Bat tops it, since he's called Paper Bat there, which in English looks a bit strange (but in Italian it has an ounce of sense, seeing as the 'Paper' part of the name comes from the word 'papero', which is generally used for puns with ducks).

As for me, I initially had two pocketbooks that had two stories with Donald as the hero, and they weren't connected at all. I was curious about whether there's more stories with Superduck and found out that there were. Since that was also a way of dealing with panic attacks for me, too, I had a lot of motivation to find out more about them. Now I have a rather big collection of then, LOL.
I think that a story, where one of the Beagle Boys is a big fan of Superduck, is the most bizzare one. Not even a medieval incarnation of the duck as someone who fights against Magica (and apparently witches/wizards in general) tops that.

And by the story with the clone, did you mean Donald's - that was actually an android version of him - or a completely different one?
Because the third story from the Pikappa series was actually about him going to an alternate universe that turned out to be a world made by a scientist, who wanted to escape reality and formed a world of his own, unknowingly endangering the real world.
There's a chance that the third story didn't have to be from Pikappa at all (since even as of now, there's actually hundreds of stories with Donald as Superduck). I might be wrong about it, though, since the series seemed to be released regularly.

If you wish to continue the conversation, could we please switch to private messages? Because if we keep on replying in here, it'll turn off topic very fast. If it already hasn't, LOL.
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Re: Rayman 2

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Wiiola wrote: If you wish to continue the conversation, could we please switch to private messages? Because if we keep on replying in here, it'll turn off topic very fast. If it already hasn't, LOL.
It has, already. I was just getting curious about PK as you mentioned it and there we go. I liked it because it's Donald turned into a DC Comics-ish hero, with a powerful suit/weapon while remaining a bit a naive and unlucky.
Wiiola wrote:I still can barely believe that Fethry's French name is Popop, and his alter-ego's - Super Popop!
Dumbmaster acquired! I don't especially like Fethry/Popop anyway, because he's like Donald but more childlike and dumber (he was created to be a beatnik in the Duck family). I think French translators chose this name because it reflects his personality.
Wiiola wrote:And by the story with the clone, did you mean Donald's - that was actually an android version of him - or a completely different one?
Found it again. Wasn't really a clone, though. I guess my memory was blurry. It's Lyla.
http://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Lyla
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Re: Rayman 2

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saerleiya wrote:
Wiiola wrote: If you wish to continue the conversation, could we please switch to private messages? Because if we keep on replying in here, it'll turn off topic very fast. If it already hasn't, LOL.
It has, already. I was just getting curious about PK as you mentioned it and there we go. I liked it because it's Donald turned into a DC Comics-ish hero, with a powerful suit/weapon while remaining a bit a naive and unlucky.
Donald was originally an anti-hero (who turned to a hero with no explanation in universe, so we could count the first steps of Donald as Superduck as an AU to what he is today, or that he's mellowed down with time - the latter of which is rather hard to, when a fairly recent story with multiple endings has one with the hero's origins - which is a bit different from the original origin story, and another, where it parodies Pikappa - there's four more endings that I didn't mention) and was made badass because readers of Topolino (Italian weekly magazine) wanted to see him as someone different from what he was normally pictured as - a loser.
saerleiya wrote:
Wiiola wrote:I still can barely believe that Fethry's French name is Popop, and his alter-ego's - Super Popop!
Dumbmaster acquired! I don't especially like Fethry/Popop anyway, because he's like Donald but more childlike and dumber (he was created to be a beatnik in the Duck family). I think French translators chose this name because it reflects his personality.
Personally I find it rather hard to compare the two. I mean, who's dumber - Fethry for coming up with stupid ideas, or Donald, who helps him with them (or gets thrown into the mess Fethry makes, willing to sort everything out)? I consider Fethry to be a major troll and a walking disaster, actually. Here's an example and a partial explanation of why I think so.
saerleiya wrote:
Wiiola wrote:And by the story with the clone, did you mean Donald's - that was actually an android version of him - or a completely different one?
Found it again. Wasn't really a clone, though. I guess my memory was blurry. It's Lyla.
http://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Lyla
Oh, that's what you meant. I thought you meant this.

Don't worry about that, in the DoubleDuck series she does get a stand-in of sorts called Kay K (who may not look that similar to the android, but she has a similar role in the stories, IMO). And it's proven that DoubleDuck stories happen after PK2 (and before the upcoming PKNE, so chances are that there won't be more stories with Donald as a secret agent).
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Re: Rayman 2

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Meh, we're not so strict on off-topicness when it comes to the main series threads, on-topic conversation these days is pretty spurious and rare anyways. If it's interesting discussion, keep at it.
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Re: Rayman 2

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Thank you very much for the information, Master!
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Re: Rayman 2

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Yeah, thanks.

Anyway, I will have trouble keeping the current discussion very interesting and well-documented: although I know PK a bit, I'm still a neophyte. I didn't know SO many comics about these series were published. Still likes the way it's drawn though. Also Donald looks a bit more smart and heroic in it, catching up to Mickey in a sense. Or to Scrooge.

He kinda deserves it: No Ducktales for Donald :/.
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Re: Rayman 2

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After fifteen years (Rayman 2's 15th birthday is literally a week from now away, yaaay), I'm sure we can all imagine that there's not a lot of news going on to keep talking about Rayman 2 constantly on-topic - although we do our best!
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Re: Rayman 2

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How about creating a thread in Off-Topic forums, where people who know stuff about anything Superduck related would post there, then?
There wouldn't be much trouble with running out of content, at least from me.
If anyone had questions regarding that branch of Donald stories in particular, I'd gladly answer them. Such as, why I'm so biased against the name "Duck Avenger".
Wouldn't be surprised if there were other fans that could contribute, either. Not sure about potential popularity of that, though, but meh, I'd gladly contribute, such as with English fan translations to series that never got to be in English (like PKNA and PK2). Or when quality of an official translation is very poor (at the moment I know about Pikappa translations from Comixology - titled "Superduck" and a story titled "A secret in danger" that was published in a digest, along with two stories).

As for styles, it all depends on the artist, some are really good, while some... Would need getting used to. I could provide examples for both.

I remember reading a Donald Duck story that had art that seemed to be made from tracing official pictures, at least for Donald himself. I could've sworn some poses were reused in there, too!
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Re: Rayman 2

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Go ahead, make the topic yourself. ;)
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Re: Rayman 2

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Shrooblord wrote:Go ahead, make the topic yourself. ;)
While you're at it, make a sequel to Bubsy 3D for the CDI.
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Re: Rayman 2

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"Dir Wiolu" if you still experience issues with your old original version of Rayman 2, use nGlide, if it's still bad, look at this:
viewtopic.php?t=12794
or mine fix for nGlide:
viewtopic.php?p=981787#p981787
Also original version can cause more problems in newer systems (I'm not sure) better to use GOG version I guess, and you can easly find polish translation "spolszczenie" and apply for it. Even after all, rather don't think about minimized mode and maximize.
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Re: Rayman 2

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Just starting up a new game of Rayman 2, haven't played this game for years and it's still one of my favourite games of all time, definitely in my top 5 and my favourite Rayman game yet (and probably ever, unless 1.5 A.K.A ROTD comes out, it looks bloody amazing).
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Re: Rayman 2

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I was just browsing the RayWiki on Ly and realised something. In the European version, she's portrayed as somewhat Asian. In the Asian (Japanese) version, she's portrayed as somewhat European:
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(European portrayed as Asian)
versus
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(Asian portrayed as European)


Also notice the somewhat more realistic proportions in the Japanese artist's view on Ly as opposed to the French 'more toony' Ly.
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Re: Rayman 2

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Hmm, so the reason JapLy is so creepy, is because of Uncanny Valley? Huh, that actually makes sense.
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Re: Rayman 2

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I think the models themselves aren't too different. Perhaps the cheekbones are somewhat less accentuated in the Japanese Ly, to make her seem more European, but I can't tell clearly from these angles. She does appear to me, however, to be slightly less 'stick and bonelike'.
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Re: Rayman 2

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Shrooblord wrote:ImageImage

I think the models themselves aren't too different. Perhaps the cheekbones are somewhat less accentuated in the Japanese Ly, to make her seem more European, but I can't tell clearly from these angles. She does appear to me, however, to be slightly less 'stick and bonelike'.
Strangely, JapLy's face isn't the same as the one showed in your picture. In a gameplay on youtube, we can see that she looks really cute :
http://youtu.be/hzJclKFAacs?t=2m11s
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Re: Rayman 2

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I honestly don't think either Ly looks cute at all, the Japanese version is exceptionally wired.

Also why did they make Jano's hat blue? I can see why they would change Rayman to blue, but Jano is the Guardian of the Cave of Bad Dreams, and tries to eat Rayman. He's kimd of good, but he's still totally evil-like. I used to be scared to go near him as a kid. Still my favorite character though.
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Japanese Ly looks decent in DC version but she is definitely NOT cute in PS2 Japanese version.
Ambidextroid wrote:I can see why they would change Rayman to blue.
I can't.
Changing Rayman's color to blue makes no sense to be honest considering that purple is very positive color in Asia. I heared that Ancel said he was inspired by Chinese fairytales for Rayman 2.
As for purple, in China it means "spiritual awareness,physical and mental healing", in Japan it means: "wealth and power".
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I'm pretty sure purple is a colour associated with death and evil (just like it's used in western areas, like where poisons and wiches clothing and evil gas are usually purple coloured, but more somin Japan).

That's why I can't understand why they would change Jano, death and evil colours seem fitting for him. He's even coloured green, also associated with poison and poisonous gasses and things, but less so than purple.
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Ambidextroid wrote:He's even coloured green, also associated with poison and poisonous gasses and things
The first thing I would've though if I were asked is that, if anything, Jano's green colour represents greed and temptation, given, you know, the whole thing that went down in the Cave of Bad Dreams. :P
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