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::::::::::I think the best source we have at the moment is Hunchman801. I tried looking for "Gonzo" in the Rayman-Fanpage (using Google), but found nothing. --[[User:Elite_piranha|Elite Piranha]] [[File:IconLyR3GBA.png|class=sprite|link=User:Elite_piranha]] 17:25, 7 November 2021 (CET)

:::::::::::I'm afraid I won't be of much help here: like I explained above, I assumed the name "Gonzo" (which I did not add to the article) was from the English version of the game, but boombo told us it's not the case. The earliest mentions of that name on the forum are from 2007; later in 2008, when RayWiki articles were being created, Holy Crap [https://raymanpc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=245024#p245024 remarked] that there was no source for the name "Gonzo", despite it being on Wikipedia. It appears that the article, unlike those for the other two doctors, was not created before 2009, and under its current name, which has gone unchallenged since. In the absence of a single source, we should at least move the article to "Art Rytus" or "Garatta Ciatik". As for removing mentions of "Gonzo", RayWiki is so [https://raymanpc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26296 authoritative] that it has almost made that name "true" over the years, not to mention all the links pointing to the current URL, so we should keep the redirect and maybe even still mention it in the article. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 13:45, 24 November 2021 (CET)

::::::::::::Oh God, sounds like citogenesis in its purest form! We should have listened to HC! XD [[User:Plumgmk|Plumgmk]] ([[User talk:Plumgmk|talk]]) 14:11, 24 November 2021 (CET)

:::::::::::::I wanted to add one last thing. In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rayman_3:_Hoodlum_Havoc&direction=next&oldid=17790792 June 2005], the character was referred as "unamed Asian doctor" in the english Wikipedia article for Rayman 3. In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rayman_3:_Hoodlum_Havoc&direction=next&oldid=17892736 July 2005] it was changed to "Art Rytus (name not mentioned in game)". In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rayman_3:_Hoodlum_Havoc&direction=next&oldid=31397317 December 2005] the name "Gonzo" started to show up in the article (this is the earliest mention of the name that I could find anywhere) and apparently it stayed there for years until it was removed in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rayman_3:_Hoodlum_Havoc&direction=next&oldid=636887905 February 2015]. So, I second the idea of moving the article to "Art Rytus", since the FAQ document it came from has the date of December 9th, 2002 in the metadata of the file; the name ""Garatta Ciatik" seems to had appeared later in January 29th, 2003 (according to the metadata from the file "Dossier Presse Rayman 3.pdf"). --[[User:Elite_piranha|Elite Piranha]] [[File:IconLyR3GBA.png|class=sprite|link=User:Elite_piranha]] 09:12, 27 September 2023 (CEST)

::::::::::::::Thanks Elite, I have moved the article and updated the references. I will use a bot to automatically update all links, but manual adjustments may be needed. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 10:49, 27 September 2023 (CEST)

:::::::::::::::Yay! 🥳 I can't believe it's already been almost two years since that conversation! 😅 [[User:Plumgmk|Plumgmk]] ([[User talk:Plumgmk|talk]]) 10:54, 27 September 2023 (CEST)

::::::::::::::::I see that the name "Anna Lyse" was removed by [[User:Nejvis|Nejvis]] on the grounds that Filmweb is not a reliable source and that the name might actually have come from the Polish Wikipedia. A quick investigation shows that the name in question was [https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rayman_3:_Hoodlum_Havoc&diff=prev&oldid=4050977 added to the Rayman 3 article] there in July 2006. However, this is not the original source. That name was [https://raymanpc.com/forum/search.php?keywords=anna+lyse mentioned on the forum] as early as January 2005. It seems that at first, it was only Xenon calling him that, and he even remarked that he "learned to call him Anna Lyse from the old RZ". The user Razorbeard also started using that name in 2008, which triggered an interesting discussion [https://raymanpc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=345987#p345987 here], where both he and Jman state that the name is used in the cinematics section of the game. Has anyone checked that? —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 14:16, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::Additionally, if the only source for "Garatta Ciatik" is the French press kit, and because the name is obviously a French pun, should it actually be mentioned in the English article (aside from a "Names of other languages" section)? —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 14:21, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

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 ::::::::::I think the best source we have at the moment is Hunchman801. I tried looking for "Gonzo" in the Rayman-Fanpage (using Google), but found nothing. --[[User:Elite_piranha|Elite Piranha]] [[File:IconLyR3GBA.png|class=sprite|link=User:Elite_piranha]] 17:25, 7 November 2021 (CET)
 :::::::::::I'm afraid I won't be of much help here: like I explained above, I assumed the name "Gonzo" (which I did not add to the article) was from the English version of the game, but boombo told us it's not the case. The earliest mentions of that name on the forum are from 2007; later in 2008, when  RayWiki articles were being created, Holy Crap [https://raymanpc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=245024#p245024 remarked] that there was no source for the name "Gonzo", despite it being on Wikipedia. It appears that the article, unlike those for the other two doctors, was not created before 2009, and under its current name, which has gone unchallenged since. In the absence of a single source, we should at least move the article to "Art Rytus" or "Garatta Ciatik". As for removing mentions of "Gonzo", RayWiki is so [https://raymanpc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26296 authoritative] that it has almost made that name "true" over the years, not to mention all the links pointing to the current URL, so we should keep the redirect and maybe even still mention it in the article. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 13:45, 24 November 2021 (CET)
+::::::::::::Oh God, sounds like citogenesis in its purest form! We should have listened to HC! XD [[User:Plumgmk|Plumgmk]] ([[User talk:Plumgmk|talk]]) 14:11, 24 November 2021 (CET)
+:::::::::::::I wanted to add one last thing. In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rayman_3:_Hoodlum_Havoc&direction=next&oldid=17790792 June 2005], the character was referred as "unamed Asian doctor" in the english Wikipedia article for Rayman 3. In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rayman_3:_Hoodlum_Havoc&direction=next&oldid=17892736 July 2005] it was changed to "Art Rytus (name not mentioned in game)". In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rayman_3:_Hoodlum_Havoc&direction=next&oldid=31397317 December 2005] the name "Gonzo" started to show up in the article (this is the earliest mention of the name that I could find anywhere) and apparently it stayed there for years until it was removed in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rayman_3:_Hoodlum_Havoc&direction=next&oldid=636887905 February 2015]. So, I second the idea of moving the article to "Art Rytus", since the FAQ document it came from has the date of December 9th, 2002 in the metadata of the file; the name ""Garatta Ciatik" seems to had appeared later in January 29th, 2003 (according to the metadata from the file "Dossier Presse Rayman 3.pdf"). --[[User:Elite_piranha|Elite Piranha]] [[File:IconLyR3GBA.png|class=sprite|link=User:Elite_piranha]] 09:12, 27 September 2023 (CEST)
+::::::::::::::Thanks Elite, I have moved the article and updated the references. I will use a bot to automatically update all links, but manual adjustments may be needed. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 10:49, 27 September 2023 (CEST)
+:::::::::::::::Yay! 🥳 I can't believe it's already been almost two years since that conversation! 😅 [[User:Plumgmk|Plumgmk]] ([[User talk:Plumgmk|talk]]) 10:54, 27 September 2023 (CEST)
+::::::::::::::::I see that the name "Anna Lyse" was removed by [[User:Nejvis|Nejvis]] on the grounds that Filmweb is not a reliable source and that the name might actually have come from the Polish Wikipedia. A quick investigation shows that the name in question was [https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rayman_3:_Hoodlum_Havoc&diff=prev&oldid=4050977 added to the Rayman 3 article] there in July 2006. However, this is not the original source. That name was [https://raymanpc.com/forum/search.php?keywords=anna+lyse mentioned on the forum] as early as January 2005. It seems that at first, it was only Xenon calling him that, and he even remarked that he "learned to call him Anna Lyse from the old RZ". The user Razorbeard also started using that name in 2008, which triggered an interesting discussion [https://raymanpc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=345987#p345987 here], where both he and Jman state that the name is used in the cinematics section of the game. Has anyone checked that? —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 14:16, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
+::::::::::::::::Additionally, if the only source for "Garatta Ciatik" is the French press kit, and because the name is obviously a French pun, should it actually be mentioned in the English article (aside from a "Names of other languages" section)? —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 14:21, 22 December 2025 (UTC)