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:It is happening the same thing to me. Huuuuunch? --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 15:11, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:It's the same for me. It's a problem for every image! —[[User:Rayspola|RaySpola]] 20:38, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:The problem should be solved now, I was able to upload the image: see ~~[[:~~File:Mrdarkteensie1.jpg]]. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 20:06, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:The problem should be solved now, I was able to upload the image: see File:Mrdarkteensie1.jpg. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 20:06, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

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[[Image:Rayman Saturn Moons.png]]

The same image can be found in the [[Moons]] article, so there's no reason to repeat it. Also, some space is required, because there's a new image of Mr Dark (The one from Rayman Origins) that should be used as his new profile picture (because it's the newest). The place where it's situated right now deforms the wiki, so I'm going to replace the picture of Mr Dark using his binoculars with the new image from Rayman Origins, and then I'm going replace the irrelevant picture of the moons with the image of Mr Dark using his binoculars (so it won't get lost).--[[User:Sergiomonty|Sergiomonty]] 04:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

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Okay then, but I'm still not convinced enough... --[[User:Sergiomonty|Sergiomonty]] 18:19, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'm back. I seriously can't agree with the direction that this article is taking. Since the Magician has been proven to be something different from Mr Dark, the previous discussion is irrelevant at this point. We can still suggest this Hybrid-vs-Transformation as a very valid theory, but not just state it like it's obvious, because it isn't. There's a health bar that could simply mean Mr Dark's resources, even if previous bosses had a health bar. There's still no explanation to the two Moskito Mammas, and talking about clonation would be going way too far into speculation. So far, opinions about this have been divided in RPC, so I suggest to change the explanation of the boss battle into something more concrete, and then comment that the Atari Jaguar version suggests that those hybrids were in fact Mr Dark himself. Not just say "THIS IS A FACT" and call it a day.--[[User:Sergiomonty|Sergiomonty]] ([[User talk:Sergiomonty|talk]]) 07:22, 30 September 2013 (CEST)

==Mr Dark vs the Magician==

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Wikipedia has an easier plot so Mr.Dark escapes the land of the livid dead (since the magician done his bit by adding a microphone)next he disguises himself as the magician and collect lums then caught he takes of his disguise and pulls a lever next he runs and jumps on a warship and KABOOM now it leads to this this question did he survive --[[User:Leondude|Leon]] 09:58, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

:And suddenly Wikipedia is God. --[[User:Iheckler9|iHeckler9]][[File:Life.gif|link=User:Iheckler9]] 19:08, 30 March 2012 (CEST)

==Mr. Dark: Root Of All Evil?==

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::It would been better if you ignored the quote. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 14:44, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

:::Oh God, not him again. --[[User:Iheckler9|iHeckler9]][[File:Life.gif|link=User:Iheckler9]] 08:45, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

== Finally the truth ==

Mr. Dark is not the Magician... I asked Gabrielle Shrager (one member of the staff) for an explanation and she answered:

"He's a Teensy usurper! A huge fan of Mr. Dark ( did u see the illustrations in his secret hide out? There's an I love mr dark poster somewhere."

If you don't trust me then I can show you an image... :) —[[Image:Easy Race RK.PNG|link=User:Rayspola]] [[User:Rayspola|RaySpola]] [[Image:Hard Race RK.PNG|link=User:Rayspola]] 16:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

: Mind=blown —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 17:56, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

::I think we already reached that conclusion since a long time ago. Sources of her reply, please? --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 18:27, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

:::I was more taken aback by the communication itself than the information contained in it. Anyway – did you meet Gabrielle Shrager in person, or was it an email exchange? We already know that the Magician is a Mr Dark fan, but some concrete proof would be great. I'd also like to correct the Wikipedia articles, which are woefully misleading, but have strict standards about citations. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 18:37, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

::::I send her a message in facebook... Here's the pic http://i43.tinypic.com/iohoo5.jpg —[[Image:Easy Race RK.PNG|link=User:Rayspola]] [[User:Rayspola|RaySpola]] [[Image:Hard Race RK.PNG|link=User:Rayspola]] 09:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::That's great to see; now we can stop being so vague in the articles and just tell it like it is. But it might be a good idea not to broadcast this on the forums – once people find out that Shrager answers messages, I just know they're going to swarm her, and that's not what we want (...is it?). —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 12:41, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::RaySpola, thank you very much 8D! Not only for asking Shrager, but also to show us the proof that she replied you. At least we can officially confirm what me and others speculated before: the Teensie is indeed a Mr. Dark admirer. This is great. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 13:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::Thanks... Anyway it's better that the picture remains only in the Raywiki I think... —[[Image:Easy Race RK.PNG|link=User:Rayspola]] [[User:Rayspola|RaySpola]] [[Image:Hard Race RK.PNG|link=User:Rayspola]] 13:48, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::::Yeah, I would not recommend either to post in the forums, for the exact reasons that Spiral pointed. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 15:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

== Could it be Mr. Dark? ==

[[File:Char-mr-dark.png|150px]]

Under this image and in the article, I read that this character has been identified has the Magician disguised as Mr. Dark.

Well... I know about the fact that Ales Mansay is the bad guy of Rayman Origins and that he is an admirer of Mr. Dark. And I agree with that.

But... What prove that this Teensie is the Magician? (Apart a similar hair style... or wig)

I mean, as Sergiomonty said, this image is used to illustrate the article of Mr. Dark on the official website of Rayman Origins. We know that it was planned that Mr. Dark appears in the game, when it was a prequel to the first Rayman game. But, like for the Soldiers and the Piranhas, this article haven't been removed from the site after the change of the story.

So, why this character couldn't be Mr. Dark himself?-- [[User:Boomboleros7|Boomboleros7]] 16:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

:In the early Rayman Origins it should be him, but since he was ultimately scrapped, this image is a scrapped picture aswell. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 17:53, 21 December 2012 (CET)

::Absolutely. But if this character is really Mr. Dark, I think that this image, although it's a scrapped picture, proves us something:

::When the developers have decided to bring Mr. Dark in the game, they have decided to change his appearance, because he was a limbless being, like the other characters from the first game.

::And, as for the Magician and the Photographer, they have decided to "turn him" into a Teensie.

::Shouldn't we speak about this project in the article?-- [[User:Boomboleros7|Boomboleros7]] 23:18, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

:::Although that's the most probable reason that lead the RO Mr. Dark to have a redesign, I don't think its strictally necessary to mention it in the wiki, I believe people do the link easily. Unless the other members in the staff do think it should be contained, then I'll align ultimately. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 12:15, 22 December 2012 (CET)

::::This only took ten years, but this has finally been addressed. See the discussion [[Talk:The Magician#Mr. Dark as a name|here]] for more details. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 21:10, 1 October 2023 (CEST)

== Rayman Mini ==

{{quote|In the 1.2.0 update it was discovered in the game files that Mr Dark is planned to return in the next content update.}}

:Indeed it is, thanks for noticing it! I've fixed it now --[[File:Carrot signature.png|75px|link=User:Raycarrot]] 16:21, 3 October 2020 (CEST)

== Fanart in gallery ==

Forgive me if any of this is out of line, I haven't made any meaningful contributions to a wiki since I was 10 and on Wikipedia, but I thought I should check in here before accidentally starting an edit war. The file [[:File:Mr. Dark in Rayman (1995).png|Mr. Dark in Rayman (1995).png]] is fanart by [https://www.deviantart.com/kittydemonchild/art/Rayman-Mr-Dark-50399534 kittydemonchild on DeviantArt], and incorrectly labeled as official art--understandably so. It's been here for a couple weeks now, and I felt like I should say something since no one else has.

—[[User:Arcueid|Arcueid]] ([[User talk:Arcueid|talk]]) 00:34, 30 July 2021 (CEST)

== Page locked? ==

What happened? Why the Mr. Dark article Is locked? What's the motive that led to its lock? [[User:Purple bubble|Purple bubble]] ([[User talk:Purple bubble|talk]]) 21:51, 26 September 2023 (CEST)

:I have answered your question in detail [[User talk:Hunchman801#Mr. Dark and The Magician locked indefinitely? Isn't it a little excessive?|here]]. Please follow those instructions for a quick resolution of the issue. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 01:27, 27 September 2023 (CEST)

== Reasons? ==

Could the user(s) give a valid and coherent reason of why they don't wanna let me edit the article in peace and keep reverting all my edits? Because I didn't get any so far! [[User:Purple bubble|Purple bubble]] ([[User talk:Purple bubble|talk]]) 22:01, 26 September 2023 (CEST)

:As a consequence of the OP's failure to follow the resolution process detailed [[User talk:Hunchman801#Mr. Dark and The Magician locked indefinitely? Isn't it a little excessive?|here]], this debate is now closed. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 20:29, 30 September 2023 (CEST)

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 :It is happening the same thing to me. Huuuuunch? --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 15:11, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 :It's the same for me. It's a problem for every image! —[[User:Rayspola|RaySpola]] 20:38, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
-:The problem should be solved now, I was able to upload the image: see [[:File:Mrdarkteensie1.jpg]]. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 20:06, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
+:The problem should be solved now, I was able to upload the image: see File:Mrdarkteensie1.jpg. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 20:06, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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-[[Image:RaymanSaturnFin.jpg]]
+[[Image:Rayman Saturn Moons.png]]
 The same image can be found in the [[Moons]] article, so there's no reason to repeat it. Also, some space is required, because there's a new image of Mr Dark (The one from Rayman Origins) that should be used as his new profile picture (because it's the newest). The place where it's situated right now deforms the wiki, so I'm going to replace the picture of Mr Dark using his binoculars with the new image from Rayman Origins, and then I'm going replace the irrelevant picture of the moons with the image of Mr Dark using his binoculars (so it won't get lost).--[[User:Sergiomonty|Sergiomonty]] 04:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
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 Okay then, but I'm still not convinced enough... --[[User:Sergiomonty|Sergiomonty]] 18:19, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
+Okay, I'm back. I seriously can't agree with the direction that this article is taking.  Since the Magician has been proven to be something different from Mr Dark, the previous discussion is irrelevant at this point. We can still suggest this Hybrid-vs-Transformation as a very valid theory, but not just state it like it's obvious, because it isn't. There's a health bar that could simply mean Mr Dark's resources, even if previous bosses had a health bar. There's still no explanation to the two Moskito Mammas, and talking about clonation would be going way too far into speculation. So far, opinions about this have been divided in RPC, so I suggest to change the explanation of the boss battle into something more concrete, and then comment that the Atari Jaguar version suggests that those hybrids were in fact Mr Dark himself. Not just say "THIS IS A FACT" and call it a day.--[[User:Sergiomonty|Sergiomonty]] ([[User talk:Sergiomonty|talk]]) 07:22, 30 September 2013 (CEST)
 ==Mr Dark vs the Magician==
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 Wikipedia has an easier plot so Mr.Dark escapes the land of the livid dead (since the magician done his bit by adding a microphone)next he disguises himself as the magician and collect lums then caught he takes of his disguise and pulls a lever next he runs and jumps on a warship and KABOOM now it leads to this this question did he survive --[[User:Leondude|Leon]] 09:58, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
+:And suddenly Wikipedia is God. --[[User:Iheckler9|iHeckler9]][[File:Life.gif|link=User:Iheckler9]] 19:08, 30 March 2012 (CEST)
 ==Mr. Dark: Root Of All Evil?==
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 ::It would been better if you ignored the quote. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 14:44, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 :::Oh God, not him again. --[[User:Iheckler9|iHeckler9]][[File:Life.gif|link=User:Iheckler9]] 08:45, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
+== Finally the truth ==
+Mr. Dark is not the Magician... I asked Gabrielle Shrager (one member of the staff) for an explanation and she answered:
+"He's a Teensy usurper! A huge fan of Mr. Dark ( did u see the illustrations in his secret hide out? There's an I love mr dark poster somewhere."
+If you don't trust me then I can show you an image... :) —[[Image:Easy Race RK.PNG|link=User:Rayspola]] [[User:Rayspola|RaySpola]] [[Image:Hard Race RK.PNG|link=User:Rayspola]] 16:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
+: Mind=blown —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 17:56, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
+::I think we already reached that conclusion since a long time ago. Sources of her reply, please? --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 18:27, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
+:::I was more taken aback by the communication itself than the information contained in it. Anyway – did you meet Gabrielle Shrager in person, or was it an email exchange? We already know that the Magician is a Mr Dark fan, but some concrete proof would be great. I'd also like to correct the Wikipedia articles, which are woefully misleading, but have strict standards about citations. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 18:37, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
+::::I send her a message in facebook... Here's the pic http://i43.tinypic.com/iohoo5.jpg —[[Image:Easy Race RK.PNG|link=User:Rayspola]] [[User:Rayspola|RaySpola]] [[Image:Hard Race RK.PNG|link=User:Rayspola]] 09:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
+:::::That's great to see; now we can stop being so vague in the articles and just tell it like it is. But it might be a good idea not to broadcast this on the forums – once people find out that Shrager answers messages, I just know they're going to swarm her, and that's not what we want (...is it?). —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 12:41, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
+:::::RaySpola, thank you very much 8D! Not only for asking Shrager, but also to show us the proof that she replied you. At least we can officially confirm what me and others speculated before: the Teensie is indeed a Mr. Dark admirer. This is great. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 13:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
+::::::Thanks... Anyway it's better that the picture remains only in the Raywiki I think... —[[Image:Easy Race RK.PNG|link=User:Rayspola]] [[User:Rayspola|RaySpola]] [[Image:Hard Race RK.PNG|link=User:Rayspola]] 13:48, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
+:::::::Yeah, I would not recommend either to post in the forums, for the exact reasons that Spiral pointed. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 15:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
+== Could it be Mr. Dark? ==
+[[File:Char-mr-dark.png|150px]]
+Under this image and in the article, I read that this character has been identified has the Magician disguised as Mr. Dark.
+Well... I know about the fact that Ales Mansay is the bad guy of Rayman Origins and that he is an admirer of Mr. Dark. And I agree with that.
+But... What prove that this Teensie is the Magician? (Apart a similar hair style... or wig)
+I mean, as Sergiomonty said, this image is used to illustrate the article of Mr. Dark on the official website of Rayman Origins. We know that it was planned that Mr. Dark appears in the game, when it was a prequel to the first Rayman game. But, like for the Soldiers and the Piranhas, this article haven't been removed from the site after the change of the story.
+So, why this character couldn't be Mr. Dark himself?-- [[User:Boomboleros7|Boomboleros7]] 16:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
+:In the early Rayman Origins it should be him, but since he was ultimately scrapped, this image is a scrapped picture aswell. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 17:53, 21 December 2012 (CET)
+::Absolutely. But if this character is really Mr. Dark, I think that this image, although it's a scrapped picture, proves us something:
+::When the developers have decided to bring Mr. Dark in the game, they have decided to change his appearance, because he was a limbless being, like the other characters from the first game.
+::And, as for the Magician and the Photographer, they have decided to "turn him" into a Teensie.
+::Shouldn't we speak about this project in the article?-- [[User:Boomboleros7|Boomboleros7]] 23:18, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
+:::Although that's the most probable reason that lead the RO Mr. Dark to have a redesign, I don't think its strictally necessary to mention it in the wiki, I believe people do the link easily. Unless the other members in the staff do think it should be contained, then I'll align ultimately. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 12:15, 22 December 2012 (CET)
+::::This only took ten years, but this has finally been addressed. See the discussion [[Talk:The Magician#Mr. Dark as a name|here]] for more details. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 21:10, 1 October 2023 (CEST)
+== Rayman Mini ==
+{{quote|In the 1.2.0 update it was discovered in the game files that Mr Dark is planned to return in the next content update.}}
+As per the Rayman Mini article, is this not 1.3.0? —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 16:01, 3 October 2020 (CEST)
+:Indeed it is, thanks for noticing it! I've fixed it now --[[File:Carrot signature.png|75px|link=User:Raycarrot]] 16:21, 3 October 2020 (CEST)
+== Fanart in gallery ==
+Forgive me if any of this is out of line, I haven't made any meaningful contributions to a wiki since I was 10 and on Wikipedia, but I thought I should check in here before accidentally starting an edit war. The file [[:File:Mr. Dark in Rayman (1995).png|Mr. Dark in Rayman (1995).png]] is fanart by [https://www.deviantart.com/kittydemonchild/art/Rayman-Mr-Dark-50399534 kittydemonchild on DeviantArt], and incorrectly labeled as official art--understandably so. It's been here for a couple weeks now, and I felt like I should say something since no one else has.
+—[[User:Arcueid|Arcueid]] ([[User talk:Arcueid|talk]]) 00:34, 30 July 2021 (CEST)
+:Thanks for reporting this, the image has now been removed. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 19:13, 30 July 2021 (CEST)
+== Page locked? ==
+What happened? Why the Mr. Dark article Is locked? What's the motive that led to its lock? [[User:Purple bubble|Purple bubble]] ([[User talk:Purple bubble|talk]]) 21:51, 26 September 2023 (CEST)
+:I have answered your question in detail [[User talk:Hunchman801#Mr. Dark and The Magician locked indefinitely? Isn't it a little excessive?|here]]. Please follow those instructions for a quick resolution of the issue. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 01:27, 27 September 2023 (CEST)
+== Reasons? ==
+Could the user(s) give a valid and coherent reason of why they don't wanna let me edit the article in peace and keep reverting all my edits? Because I didn't get any so far! [[User:Purple bubble|Purple bubble]] ([[User talk:Purple bubble|talk]]) 22:01, 26 September 2023 (CEST)
+:As a consequence of the OP's failure to follow the resolution process detailed [[User talk:Hunchman801#Mr. Dark and The Magician locked indefinitely? Isn't it a little excessive?|here]], this debate is now closed. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 20:29, 30 September 2023 (CEST)