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::Come to think of it though, one thing I would support is a separate navbox for all the bosses in the Rayman series. There are two ways people will go looking for R1 bosses: in the sense that they're enemies who appear at the end of their R1 world, and in the sense that they're Rayman series bosses. I can imagine someone wanting to jump from Allegro Presto to Space Mama, but I can also imagine someone wanting to jump from Mr Dark to Foutch or Razorbeard. I would also support moving the bosses in the R1 template to the "Enemies" subgroups for their respective worlds. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 18:24, 15 April 2014 (CEST) | ::Come to think of it though, one thing I would support is a separate navbox for all the bosses in the Rayman series. There are two ways people will go looking for R1 bosses: in the sense that they're enemies who appear at the end of their R1 world, and in the sense that they're Rayman series bosses. I can imagine someone wanting to jump from Allegro Presto to Space Mama, but I can also imagine someone wanting to jump from Mr Dark to Foutch or Razorbeard. I would also support moving the bosses in the R1 template to the "Enemies" subgroups for their respective worlds. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 18:24, 15 April 2014 (CEST) | ||
::Unfortunately even keeping the template open won't solve the obvious issue that it takes much, much longer to navigate from one level to another. While it's totally fine if you want to visit, say, the Antitoon article, Blue Mountains levels articles are much more relevant to each other than the latter is and it is therefore much more likely that a user will want to navigate from one another. We are sacrificing usability for the sake of an all-encompassing template that is of barely any use in that situation: it's probably faster to go to the Blue Mountains article and then click the wanted level; wait, no, even this is hindered by the last changes, as there isn't even a list of levels for each world now. Unwise, yes. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 19:20, 15 April 2014 (CEST) | ::Unfortunately even keeping the template open won't solve the obvious issue that it takes much, much longer to navigate from one level to another. While it's totally fine if you want to visit, say, the Antitoon article, Blue Mountains levels articles are much more relevant to each other than the latter is and it is therefore much more likely that a user will want to navigate from one another. We are sacrificing usability for the sake of an all-encompassing template that is of barely any use in that situation: it's probably faster to go to the Blue Mountains article and then click the wanted level; wait, no, even this is hindered by the last changes, as there isn't even a list of levels for each world now. Unwise, yes. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 19:20, 15 April 2014 (CEST) | ||
:::I think you may be overestimating the significance of this issue. Yes, it's more likely that a user will want to navigate from one Blue Mountains article to another: that's why we've created a separate subgroup just for Blue Mountains levels! | |||
:::A user who scrolls to the bottom of one of the level articles will be greeted with [http://i.imgur.com/bA8POXx.png this sight], with the current article's link noticeably bolded and enlarged; it's not too much to expect of viewers that they comprehend the layout of the template and grasp that the adjacent links lead to, well, the adjacent levels. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 20:53, 15 April 2014 (CEST) | |||
::::I have reverted the template redirects to the main R1 template: if it is to be used, let's do it properly and insert it directly. Please note that this is not a decision regarding the matter being discussed, just basic cleanup. | |||
::::As for level articles, we seem to both understand each other's arguments. Our opinions simply differ about what outweighs what, so let's see what the others think of it. | |||
::::Concerning the world articles however, it is out of the question to remove essential information such as the levels from the articles themselves. It is not a question of navigation but a matter of content. If we can find a better way of having a level list in the world articles than using the old templates, let's do it, but the information stays. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 11:13, 16 April 2014 (CEST) | |||
:::::These templates are for navigating between articles, not storing information themselves, and the fact that important information exists exclusively in the templates seems a major problem in retrospect. Of course each world article should contain a list of levels contained in that world. Maybe the second sentence of each world article should be a statement of its levels, and the second sentence of each level article should state the preceding and following levels? —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 13:33, 16 April 2014 (CEST) | |||
::::::Pardon my barging in upon the conversation, but while I appreciate the reason why we've reverted, I still think we should make the current level nav templates more efficient. It's a bit of a pain to have to navigate from a level article, then to the world article, then to another world, then to the level I was looking for. --[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 13:41, 16 April 2014 (CEST) | |||
::::::I think Spiral's suggestion is a good step forward. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 19:16, 24 April 2014 (CEST) | |||
:::::::I've implemented this on the [[Blue Mountains]] and [[Twilight Gulch]] articles. Everything in order? —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 01:16, 26 April 2014 (CEST) | |||
:::::::Never mind, just saw your edits. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 01:17, 26 April 2014 (CEST) | |||
To bring a new focus on the discussion, while I completely appreciate the choice to use the current templates as opposed to the rather massive Rayman 1 template, as I mentioned in another talk page, I still think the current set-up is inefficient. I propose we have a template a bit like this for level articles, that way, we avoid the bloatedness, but still have a more efficient setup: | |||
{| class="navbox mw-collapsible {{#if:{{{collapsed|}}} | mw-collapsed | mw-uncollapsed }}" width="100%" style="margin: 0 auto 0 auto; padding: 0.2em; border-width: 2px; border-style: solid; border-color:#f0b708; background:#14190E; colspan=5 !important" | |||
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! align="center" style=background:#AA0000 colspan=5 |<span>Levels in ''[[Rayman 1|Rayman]]''</span> | |||
|- | |||
| colspan=4|<small>[[Ray Breakout]] • [[Bonus level (Rayman 1)|Bonus level]]</small> | |||
|- | |||
! align="left" style=background:#AA0000; width=10% colspan=1 |<small>[[The Dream Forest]]</small> | |||
| style=background:#141900 colspan=4|<small>[[Pink Plant Woods]] • [[Anguish Lagoon]] • [[Swamps of Forgetfulness]] • [[Moskito's Nest]]</small> | |||
|- | |||
! align="left" style=background:#AA0000; colspan=1 |<small>[[Band Land]]</small> | |||
| colspan=4|<small>[[Bongo Hills]] • [[Allegro Presto]] • [[Gong Heights]] • [[Mr Sax's Hullaballoo]]</small> | |||
|- | |||
! align="left" style=background:#AA0000; colspan=1 |<small>[[Blue Mountains]]</small> | |||
| style=background:#141900 colspan=4|<small>[[Twilight Gulch]] • [[The Hard Rocks]] • [[Mr Stone's Peaks]]</small> | |||
|- | |||
! align="left" style=background:#AA0000; colspan=1 |<small>[[Picture City]]</small> | |||
| colspan=4|<small>[[Eraser Plains]] • [[Pencil Pentathlon]] • [[Space Mama's Crater]]</small> | |||
|- | |||
! align="left" style=background:#AA0000; colspan=1 |<small>[[The Caves of Skops]]</small> | |||
| style=background:#141900 colspan=4|<small>[[Crystal Palace]] • [[Eat at Joe's]] • [[Mr Skops' Stalactites]]</small> | |||
|- | |||
! align="left" style=background:#AA0000; colspan=1 |<small>[[Candy Château]]</small> | |||
| colspan=4|<small>[[Mr Dark's Dare]]</small> | |||
|} | |||
--[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 01:01, 7 June 2014 (CEST) | |||
==Autocollapse and Wikipedia templates== | |||
I've been snooping around, and from comparing our [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js Wikipedia's], it seems we ought to have autocollapsing capabilities in Nav templates, we've not been able to manage getting them in yet. Any ideas? | |||
Another item I'd like to mention is how our are navboxes currently like to make, there's a pretty large amount of code to work with, and I believe there ought to be some more accessible alternative. I don't have the power to implement Wikipedia's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Navbox Navboxes], but I believe they do have some manner of instruction on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Navbox how to do so], should an admin believe these templates to be feasible. While I don't really mind our current lot, I'd much prefer their Navbox templates to help in creation. | |||
(Irrelevant, but if I'm going to note usability, I guess I ought to make another nudge about the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiEditor improved editor] --[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 23:14, 27 April 2014 (CEST) | |||
:The autocollapse works for me, could it be a browser issue? As for navboxes we don't have many of them so I don't see this as a priority. The improved editor is very interesting though. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 15:24, 28 April 2014 (CEST) | |||
::Hmm, weird, the templates are still expanded even in the presence of one or more other collapsing templates, I tried checking in the Steam browser, it came up the same. I'll see if I can check on other browsers and confirm. Just to clarify in case, collapsing works, it's getting them to automatically collapse when there's more than one navbox that is the issue. --[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 18:29, 28 April 2014 (CEST) | |||
:::I'm not convinced it's a good idea to have such a behaviour. Why not add a parameter to the template that specifies whether it should be collapsed on page load, so that we have absolute control over it on every page? —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 19:06, 28 April 2014 (CEST) | |||
::::Hmm, so we can make it collapse on the pages we wish, and expanded on others? That seems like a reasonable idea. I'm not quite sure how to implement such a feature though, but I'll check things up. --[[File:Sig5 2TEST.png|150px|link=User:Master]] 19:08, 28 April 2014 (CEST) | |||