Talk:Dark Rayman

The Grand Dark Rayman Taxonomy

With the release of Rayman Adventures, we've been dealing with yet another Rayman clone, by the name of Shadow Ray. We've already discussed this somewhat in the past, but I think we need to come to a verdict as to how we're doing this, as we're well in need of updating RayWiki to have information on Adventures, and putting this off only hinders our efforts. -- 00:13, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Physically, Shadow Ray is identical to the Dark Rayman of RL (who isn't always surrounded by a purple aura: When he is at the top of a painting, he doesn't create it).

If the developers wanted to distinguish Shadow Ray from the Dark Ray of RL, I don't think they would have use the same sprite. They wanted to create a playable version of this enemy.

Despite this, why did they call him "Shadow Ray" in RA, and not "Dark Rayman" like they did in RL? Unfortunately, we don't have the answer to that question...

From a lore point of view, it's very confusing: Originally, Dark Ray was a mindless evil clone created by a spell. But between RL and RA, he manages to become a good being in the flesh with a mind and a passion for old movies. Although it's confusing, it isn't crazy: Everything is possible in the Glade of Dreams. We don't have any official explanation, so everyone can speculate on the reasons. Maybe he changed his nature after his "defeat" in RL, or maybe it's Polokus who gave a real life to him. Who knows?--Boomboleros7 17:47, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

That's the thing, we need to limit speculation and try and present the facts as-is, it's up to the reader to draw their own conclusions. The issue is deciding what incarnations are worthy of having their own character page, as Raymesis and Dark Rayman (Rayman Arena) have, and which to keep on the main Dark Rayman page. Thus far, it appears our rationale for articles is to have non-sentient follower clones on the main page, and have any sentient clones on their own page. If memory serves, this is the route Humch wanted to stick with, where we simply note connections between sentient and non-sentient clones, as we did Raymesis and R1 BadRay. I don't really find the idea too appealing from a lore standpoint, but it's probably the least speculative route. -- 00:12, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

By using only facts, I see four Dark Rayman in the Rayman series:

"The blue one"

Roles: Enemy in Rayman, Playable character in Rayman Origins, Rayman Jungle Run, Rayman Legends, Rayman Fiesta Run and Rayman Adventures

Justification: Same physic. Polokus recognizes the evil clone of RO as the one who appear in R1.

"The black one"

Roles: Enemy in Rayman Legends, Playable character in Rayman Adventures

Justification: Same physic.

"The X one"

Role: Playable character in Rayman Arena

Justification: His physic and his behavior are different from the evil clone of R1.

"The mysterious one"

Role: Enemy in Rayman 4

Justification: We can't tell if it was the evil clone of R1, Arena or a new character. We should speak about him on the disambiguation page.