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''[[Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc|Rayman 3]]'' is the first game in [[Rayman (series)|the series]] to introduce a score system in an arcade-style format. Until the reformat of [[RaymanZone]], players were able to enter the key code they are provided at the end of the game in order to participate in a worldwide score ranking. A new Hall of Fame was created on [[Rayman Pirate-Community]] in 2009. The score system notably increased the replay value of the game.
''[[Rayman 3]]'' is the first game in [[Rayman (series)|the series]] to introduce a score system in an arcade-style format. Until the reformat of [[RaymanZone]], players were able to enter the key code they are provided at the end of the game in order to participate in a worldwide score ranking. A new Hall of Fame was created on [[Rayman Pirate-Community]] in 2009. The score system notably increased the replay value of the game.


==The combo mode==
==The combo mode==
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First is a list of how long the various objects will keep the combo mode activated:
First is a list of how long the various objects will keep the combo mode activated:


[[Jewel]]s, [[Piggybank]]s, Kickflips, [[Meadowscrew]]s, [[Armaguiddon]]s, [[Hoodlum watercraft]]s, [[Black Lum]]s, Crowns, [[Switch]]es, Doors, [[Tribelle]]s and [[Matuvu]]s: 2 seconds.
[[Jewel]]s, [[Pigpot|piggybanks]], kickflips, [[meadowscrew]]s, [[Armaguiddon]]s, [[Hoodlum watercraft]]s, [[Black Lum]]s, [[Crown]]s, [[switch]]es, doors, [[Tribelle]]s and [[Matuvu]]s: 2 seconds.


[[Hoodlum]]s, [[Muddibog]]s, [[Ninja Crab]]s and the last [[Podocrock]] in the group: 6 seconds.
[[Hoodlum]]s, [[Muddibog]]s, [[Ninja Crab]]s and the last [[Podocrock]] in the group: 6 seconds.
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*Objects: 21 – : These objects will have their points quintupled and added to the combo counter.
*Objects: 21 – : These objects will have their points quintupled and added to the combo counter.


In order to maximize the score under these rules it is a good strategy to save objects with high points as late in the combo as possible and start the combo with low points objects like yellow gems for example.
In order to maximize the score under these rules it is a good strategy to save objects with high points as late in the combo as possible and start the combo with low points objects like [[Jewel|yellow gems]] for example.


As an example consider a combo with five yellow gems, five red gems and one green gem. These objects can be combined in many ways, but let’s try a few ones. Let y denote a yellow gem, r a red gem and g a green gem. One combo could look like this:
As an example consider a combo with five [[Jewel|yellow gems]], five [[Jewel|red gems]] and one [[Jewel|green gem]]. These objects can be combined in many ways, but let’s try a few ones. Let y denote a [[Jewel|yellow gem]], r a [[Jewel|red gem]] and g a [[Jewel|green gem]]. One combo could look like this:


*gyyyy | yrrrr | r
*gyyyy | yrrrr | r
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This combo is worth: 4·10 + 2·5·30 + 3·1500 = 4840 points
This combo is worth: 4·10 + 2·5·30 + 3·1500 = 4840 points


This example shows how important it is to let objects with high points come as late as possible in a combo. The difference between the highest and lowest combo is 4450 points. And if the combo was played with a [[Laser-Washing Powder|Powerup]], the difference would have been 8900 points.
This example shows how important it is to let objects with high points come as late as possible in a combo. The difference between the highest and lowest combo is 4450 points. And if the combo was played with a [[Laser-Washing Powder|Power-up]], the difference would have been 8900 points.


===The green gem problem===
===The [[Jewel|green gem]] problem===
There is quirk in the game concerning the green gem taken in combo with a [[Laser-Washing Powder|Powerup]]. If the green gem is object number 16 or higher it won’t count in said combo. According to the rules above it should give 12.000 points in combo or even 15.000 points if it were object number 21 or higher in the combo. The reason for not allowing 12.000 or 15.000 combo points for the green gem is probably that it thus would be too easy to reach the maximum score in the levels concerned.
There is quirk in the game concerning the [[Jewel|green gem]] taken in combo with a [[Laser-Washing Powder|Power-up]]. If the [[Jewel|green gem]] is object number 16 or higher it won’t count in said combo. According to the rules above it should give 12.000 points in combo or even 15.000 points if it were object number 21 or higher in the combo. The reason for not allowing 12.000 or 15.000 combo points for the [[Jewel|green gem]] is probably that it thus would be too easy to reach the maximum score in the levels concerned.


However, there are at most three places where this is a problem. One place is famously the secret room in SBTC part 2. Be careful to include the green gem in this combo as object number 11 – 15, otherwise it won’t count.
However, there are at most three places where this is a problem. One place is famously the secret room in [[The Summit Beyond the Clouds|SBTC]] part 2. Be careful to include the [[Jewel|green gem]] in this combo as object number 11 – 15, otherwise it won’t count.


The other two places are in LS part 1, the secret room combo and in DOTK part 7 the green gems combo.
The other two places are in [[The Longest Shortcut|LS]] part 1, the secret room combo and in [[The Desert of the Knaaren|DOTK]] part 7 the [[Jewel|green gems]] combo.


Note: The problem doesn’t arise when not using a [[Laser-Washing Powder|Powerup]].
Note: The problem doesn’t arise when not using a [[Laser-Washing Powder|Power-up]].


===How to pass 100.000 points===
===How to pass 100.000 points===
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However, there is a way to pass this scoring limit and the secret lies in the fact that combo points are still added to the counter provided you have stopped scoring before you reach 100.000 points. The way to get the most out of your scoring would therefore be to land on exactly 99.999 points before the combo points are added.
However, there is a way to pass this scoring limit and the secret lies in the fact that combo points are still added to the counter provided you have stopped scoring before you reach 100.000 points. The way to get the most out of your scoring would therefore be to land on exactly 99.999 points before the combo points are added.


Here is an example that shows how to use this. We can look at the previous example with five yellow gems, five red gems and one green gem. We use the following combo, which was worth 4840 points:
Here is an example that shows how to use this. We can look at the previous example with five [[Jewel|yellow gems]], five [[Jewel|red gems]] and one [[Jewel|green gem]]. We use the following combo, which was worth 4840 points:


*yyyyy | rrrrr | g
*yyyyy | rrrrr | g


We now calculate the sum of the points from the gems: 5·10 + 5·30 + 1500 = 1700 points.
We now calculate the sum of the points from the [[Jewel|gems]]: 5·10 + 5·30 + 1500 = 1700 points.


Let us suppose you have a good score and you want to find out how many points you must have before you play this combo. In order to get the most out of this combo, you have to have this amount of points before you start playing this combo:
Let us suppose you have a good score and you want to find out how many points you must have before you play this combo. In order to get the most out of this combo, you have to have this amount of points before you start playing this combo:
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===The bonus point issue===
===The bonus point issue===
This section deals with the situation where bonus points can be used to pass the scoring limit. It is only relevant in CF part 4, but the calculations will nevertheless be done in full here.
This section deals with the situation where bonus points can be used to pass the scoring limit. It is only relevant in [[Clearleaf Forest|CF]] part 4, but the calculations will nevertheless be done in full here.


It turns out that bonus points that comes from killing a, say, [[Hoodblaster]] with one hit are added to the counter regardless of the score. In order to clarify this, suppose you have 99.899 points and you kill a [[Hoodblaster]] with one hit. Then you get a 30 points bonus on top of the 100 points from the [[Hoodblaster]] itself. You score with therefore be: 99.899 + 100 + 30 = 100.029 points. If you have more than 99.899 points when you kill the [[Hoodblaster]] you will not get any points at all because you have passed the scoring limit of 99.999 points.
It turns out that bonus points that comes from killing a, say, [[Hoodmonger|Hoodblaster]] with one hit are added to the counter regardless of the score. In order to clarify this, suppose you have 99.899 points and you kill a [[Hoodmonger|Hoodblaster]] with one hit. Then you get a 30 points bonus on top of the 100 points from the [[Hoodmonger|Hoodblaster]] itself. You score with therefore be: 99.899 + 100 + 30 = 100.029 points. If you have more than 99.899 points when you kill the [[Hoodmonger|Hoodblaster]] you will not get any points at all because you have passed the scoring limit of 99.999 points.


Now for the calculations of the maximum score CF. The maximum score in this level is achieved through the combo where [[Rayman]], wearing the [[Hoodstomper]] (boss) outfit, steps on three [[Slapdash]]es and 27 [[Hoodblaster]]s. Each [[Hoodblaster]] is worth 100 points plus 30 bonus points. Again scoring must stop on 99.999 points before combo points are added. We must first calculate the sum of the points from each of the [[Slapdash]]es and [[Hoodblaster]]s: 3·30 + 27·130 = 3600 points.
Now for the calculations of the maximum score [[Clearleaf Forest|CF]]. The maximum score in this level is achieved through the combo where [[Rayman]], wearing the [[Master Kaag|Hoodstomper]] (boss) outfit, steps on three [[Slapdash]]es and 27 [[Hoodmonger Soldier]]s. Each [[Hoodmonger Soldier]] is worth 100 points plus 30 bonus points. Again scoring must stop on 99.999 points before combo points are added. We must first calculate the sum of the points from each of the [[Slapdash]]es and [[Hoodmonger Soldier]]s: 3·30 + 27·130 = 3600 points.


Now we calculate: 99.999 – 3600 = 96.399 points.
Now we calculate: 99.999 – 3600 = 96.399 points.


But since the 30 bonus points from the last [[Hoodblaster]] (no. 27) are added to the counter, the actual score before you play this combo should be:
But since the 30 bonus points from the last [[Hoodmonger Soldier]] (no. 27) are added to the counter, the actual score before you play this combo should be:


96.399 + 30 = 96.429 points.
96.399 + 30 = 96.429 points.


As for the combo points, this can be calculated as follows. Let S denote a [[Slapdash]] and H a [[Hoodblaster]]. The combo can look like this:
As for the combo points, this can be calculated as follows. Let S denote a [[Slapdash]] and H a [[Hoodmonger Soldier]]. The combo can look like this:


*SSSHH | HHHHH | HHHHH | HHHHH | HHHHHHHHHH
*SSSHH | HHHHH | HHHHH | HHHHH | HHHHHHHHHH
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The total score will be: 99.999 + 7760 + 30 = 107.789 points.
The total score will be: 99.999 + 7760 + 30 = 107.789 points.


===The green gem issue===
===The [[Jewel|green gem]] issue===
This section deals with another maximum score situation, this time in TLOTLD.
This section deals with another maximum score situation, this time in [[The Land of the Livid Dead (Rayman 3)|TLOTLD]].


It turns out that there is an unexpected issue when passing the scoring limit of 100.000 points when the green gem is taken with a [[Laser-Washing Powder|Powerup]]. This issue can be illustrated by using the well-known example:
It turns out that there is an unexpected issue when passing the scoring limit of 100.000 points when the [[Jewel|green gem]] is taken with a [[Laser-Washing Powder|Power-up]]. This issue can be illustrated by using the well-known example:


*yyyyy | rrrrr | g
*yyyyy | rrrrr | g


This time we play the combo with a [[Laser-Washing Powder|Powerup]]. We use the previous calculations concerning this combo to get
This time we play the combo with a [[Laser-Washing Powder|Power-up]]. We use the previous calculations concerning this combo to get


The sum of points: 2·1700 = 3400 points
The sum of points: 2·1700 = 3400 points
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Total score: 99.999 + 9680 = 109.679 points.
Total score: 99.999 + 9680 = 109.679 points.


However, it turns out that the green gem ONLY counts for 1500 points in relation to the scoring limit, even though it is taken with a [[Laser-Washing Powder|Powerup]]. The remaining 1500 points are carried over the limit in much the same way as the bonus points in the previous section. Therefore the following corrections to the above calculations are necessary:
However, it turns out that the [[Jewel|green gem]] only counts for 1500 points in relation to the scoring limit, even though it is taken with a [[Laser-Washing Powder|Power-up]]. The remaining 1500 points are carried over the limit in much the same way as the bonus points in the previous section. Therefore the following corrections to the above calculations are necessary:


Points needed before the combo: 99.999 – 3400 + 1500 = 98.099 points
Points needed before the combo: 99.999 – 3400 + 1500 = 98.099 points
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Total score: 99.999 + 9680 + 1500 = 111.179 points.
Total score: 99.999 + 9680 + 1500 = 111.179 points.


Note: This is the only level where the maximum scored is reached through gems taken with a [[Laser-Washing Powder|Powerup]]. So these special calculations are not needed elsewhere.
Note: This is the only level where the maximum scored is reached through [[Jewel|gems]] taken with a [[Laser-Washing Powder|Power-up]]. So these special calculations are not needed elsewhere.


I will finish this section by doing the actual calculations for part 5 in TLOTLD.
I will finish this section by doing the actual calculations for part 5 in [[The Land of the Livid Dead (Rayman 3)|TLOTLD]].


The combo used is the following and the [[Laser-Washing Powder|Powerup]] is the Shock Rocket:
The combo used is the following and the [[Laser-Washing Powder|Power-up]] is the [[Shock Rocket]]:


*HHHHH | yyrrr | rgrg
*HHHHH | yyrrr | rgrg
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Total score: 99.999 + 19.600 + 1500 = 121.099 points
Total score: 99.999 + 19.600 + 1500 = 121.099 points


This is the maximum score for TLOTLD.
This is the maximum score for [[The Land of the Livid Dead (Rayman 3)|TLOTLD]].


==Glitches==
==Glitches==
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*Part 2. The Turtle Trick allows you to return to the first area with hands available.
*Part 2. The Turtle Trick allows you to return to the first area with hands available.
*Part 3. The Lift Trick allows you to use the lift and jump/helicopter to the [[Hoodblaster]] platform.
*Part 3. The Lift Trick allows you to use the lift and jump/helicopter to the [[Hoodmonger|Hoodblaster]] platform.


===[[Clearleaf Forest]]===
===[[Clearleaf Forest]]===
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''Main article: [[Solution of Clearleaf Forest]]''
''Main article: [[Solution of Clearleaf Forest]]''


*Part 2. The [[Piggybank]] Trick allows you to either jump from one [[Piggybank]] directly to the upper level, or to roll from one [[Piggybank]] into another to be launched high enough to reach the upper level.
*Part 2. The [[Pigpot|Piggybank]] Trick allows you to either jump from one [[Pigpot|Piggybank]] directly to the upper level, or to roll from one [[Pigpot|Piggybank]] into another to be launched high enough to reach the upper level.


===[[The Bog of Murk]]===
===[[The Bog of Murk]]===
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''Main article: [[Solution of the Bog of Murk]]''
''Main article: [[Solution of the Bog of Murk]]''


*Part 3. Wait until the [[Hoodblaster]] survives and play the part from there.
*Part 3. Wait until the [[Hoodmonger|Hoodblaster]] survives and play the part from there.
*Part 5. The [[Razoff]] Glitch. This glitch allows you to hit [[Razoff]] two or three times for up to 9000 extra points.
*Part 5. The [[Count Razoff|Razoff]] Glitch. This glitch allows you to hit [[Count Razoff|Razoff]] two or three times for up to 9000 extra points.
*Part 6. It is possible to make [[Razoff]] stay on the ball while hitting him up to five times. This strategy allows an extra 10.000 points in this part.
*Part 6. It is possible to make [[Count Razoff|Razoff]] stay on the ball while hitting him up to five times. This strategy allows an extra 10.000 points in this part.


===[[The Land of the Livid Dead (Rayman 3)|The Land of the Livid Dead]]===
===[[The Land of the Livid Dead (Rayman 3)|The Land of the Livid Dead]]===
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''Main article: [[Solution of the Land of the Livid Dead]]''
''Main article: [[Solution of the Land of the Livid Dead]]''


* Part 2: In Xbox version, [[Rayman]] can jump the ballons and get the [[vortex]]
* Part 2: In the Xbox version, [[Rayman]] can jump the [[balloon]]s and get the [[Vortex]].


===[[The Desert of the Knaaren]]===
===[[The Desert of the Knaaren]]===
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''Main article: [[Solution of the Desert of the Knaaren]]''
''Main article: [[Solution of the Desert of the Knaaren]]''


*Part 1. Passing the [[Knaaren]] with the [[Lockjaw]]. This little trick gives an extra 4500 – 5000 points.
*Part 1. Passing the [[Knaaren]] with the [[LockJaw]]. This little trick gives an extra 4500 – 5000 points.
*Part 7. The [[Black Lum]]s Glitch is a great help in the [[Stumbleboom]] – [[Hoodstormer]] Combo. The glitch works like this: When [[Black Lum]]s fly away high in the air, usually from [[Hoodstormer]]s; they can be converted into many [[Red Lum]]s and thus increase the score. This glitch doesn’t work for PC-players.
*Part 7. The [[Black Lum]]s Glitch is a great help in the [[Stumbleboom]] – [[Hoodstormer]] Combo. The glitch works like this: When [[Black Lum]]s fly away high in the air, usually from [[Hoodstormer]]s; they can be converted into many [[Red Lum]]s and thus increase the score. This glitch doesn’t work for PC-players.
*Part 7. After hitting the [[Hoodoo]] three times, one can quickly hit the [[Hoodlock]] and penetrate his shield with the [[Lockjaw]]. Push him back in order to pass him for a big combo.
*Part 7. After hitting the [[Hoodoo]] three times, one can quickly hit the [[Hoodlock]] and penetrate his shield with the [[LockJaw]]. Push him back in order to pass him for a big combo.


===[[The Longest Shortcut]]===
===[[The Longest Shortcut]]===
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''Main article: [[Solution of the Summit Beyond the Clouds]]''
''Main article: [[Solution of the Summit Beyond the Clouds]]''


*Part 1. It is possible to enter the upper deck with the [[Lockjaw]] by using the Launching Glitch. This helps out getting the green gem for 9000 combo points.
*Part 1. It is possible to enter the upper deck with the [[LockJaw]] by using the Launching Glitch. This helps out getting the green gem for 9000 combo points.
*Part 2: The begginnig trick help you to get the second [[Hoodlock]] with the [[Lockjaw]]
*Part 2: The beginning trick help you to get the second [[Hoodlock]] with the [[LockJaw]]
*Part 3. The Launching Glitch for Snowboard allows the green gem to be taken for 7500 combo points.
*Part 3. The Launching Glitch for the [[Funkyboard|Snowboard]] allows the [[Jewel|green gem]] to be taken for 7500 combo points.


===[[Hoodlum Headquarters]]===
===[[Hoodlum Headquarters]]===
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''Main article: [[Solution of the Hoodlum Headquarters]]''
''Main article: [[Solution of the Hoodlum Headquarters]]''


*Part 2. The Lums Glitch can be used in the first room to get a good score. Make sure the [[Hoodblaster]]s are high in the air when you kill them. This doesn’t work for PC-players.
*Part 2. The [[Black Lum|Lums]] Glitch can be used in the first room to get a good score. Make sure the [[Hoodmonger|Hoodblasters]] are high in the air when you kill them. This doesn’t work for PC-players.


===[[The Tower of the Leptys]]===
===[[The Tower of the Leptys]]===
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''Main article: [[Solution of the Tower of the Leptys]]''
''Main article: [[Solution of the Tower of the Leptys]]''


*Part 1. Go to the room with the yellow gems and collect at least twenty before re-entering the area with the Hoodlums. This allows for one of the biggest combos in the game.
*Part 1. Go to the room with the [[Jewel|yellow gems]] and collect at least twenty before re-entering the area with the [[Hoodlum]]s. This allows for one of the biggest combos in the game.


==Development==
==Development==
While the developers thought the maximum attainable score was around 500,000 points, the discovery of various glitches and the mastery of the scoring mechanics allowed much higher scores, the highest known overall score being 900,056 points. <ref>Rayman Pirate-Community, ''Rayman 3'' Hall of Fame, http://raymanpc.com/?p=hof</ref>
While [[Ubisoft|the developers]] thought the maximum attainable score was around 500,000 points, the discovery of various glitches and the mastery of the scoring mechanics allowed much higher scores, the highest known overall score being 900,056 points.<ref>Rayman Pirate-Community, ''Rayman 3'' Hall of Fame, http://raymanpc.com/?p=hof</ref>
 
==See also==
*[[Hall of Fame]]


==External links==
==External links==
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==References==
==References==
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