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Hunchman, with all due respect of course, don't you think is a little excessive to lock Mr. Dark and The Magician articles indefinitely just because of one or max. two jerky user(s) who can't even properly explain with a valid and coherent reason why they don't want an edit to be made? [[User:Purple bubble|Purple bubble]] ([[User talk:Purple bubble|talk]]) 21:56, 26 September 2023 (CEST)

:Both articles appear to be the stage of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring edit warring], that is, users repeatedly overriding each other's contributions. With no one actively striving to reach consensus, it is clear that this situation will persist, and that locking the articles in question is necessary to prevent further pollution of the revision history.

:In this context, please allow me to stress the collaborative nature of this encyclopedia. You find yourself in a situation where three different users, each with a commendable contribution history, happen to strongly disagree with some of your changes. You don't find their reasons good enough, but surely, you must have realized that they happen to think the very same about yours. I, for my part, must agree that you'll have to do better than brandishing unsourced claims of interactions with Ubisoft staff. This is why a more structured discussion is now necessary, and I very much doubt that calling your fellow editors "jerky" and other nonconstructive diatribes will be of much help to that effect.

:To put things in perspective, I cannot for the life of me remember another case of edit warring on this wiki during its fifteen years of existence. This speaks volumes to the amount of controversy surrounding some of your changes.

:Therefore, and with a quick resolution of the situation in mind, the next steps will be as follows:

:*Purple bubble is to create, for each of the following 7 topics, which I believe comprehensively cover the nature of the contributions currently subject to controversy, a distinct section in the talk page of the relevant article, explaining why the change in question should be made, and providing sources where applicable:

:**Mr Dark: trivia

:**The Magician: mention of Andrew as a cousin, "but only in a spin-off" (also applicable to [https://raymanpc.com/wiki/script-en/index.php?title=Admiral_Razorbeard&diff=prev&oldid=90628 this revision])

:**The Magician: mention of "Ales Mansay" as an official name

:**The Magician: mention of "Dark Teensy" as an official name

:**The Magician: mention of "Mr Dark" as an official name

:**The Magician: trivia 1 - mention of the Magician as "a mix of the previous main antagonists of the series"

:**The Magician: trivia 2 - mention of the use of the scrapped name "Ales Mansay" by a substantial portion ("many") of the fanbase

:*Once this is done, discussions will begin, and contributors will be invited to freely debate about the validity of those additions.

:*Finally, a voting process will follow. It will start independently for each issue after 7 days have passed without any addition to the discussion, or if the discussion has been going on for more than 30 days. In order to prevent the use of sockpuppets, only accounts with prior wiki or forum contribution history at the time of the introduction of the changes will be eligible to vote. The voting process will end, independently for each issue, after 7 days have passed since the last vote, unless it results in a tie, in which case additional votes will be required. The decision will be final, and users not respecting it will be liable to a ban.

:I have done everything I could to provide you guys with the best framework for a constructive, collaborative and efficient resolution of the problem. Now is the time to do your part. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 01:22, 27 September 2023 (CEST)

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 Hunchman, with all due respect of course, don't you think is a little excessive to lock Mr. Dark and The Magician articles indefinitely just because of one or max. two jerky user(s) who can't even properly explain with a valid and coherent reason why they don't want an edit to be made? [[User:Purple bubble|Purple bubble]] ([[User talk:Purple bubble|talk]]) 21:56, 26 September 2023 (CEST)
+:Both articles appear to be the stage of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring edit warring], that is, users repeatedly overriding each other's contributions. With no one actively striving to reach consensus, it is clear that this situation will persist, and that locking the articles in question is necessary to prevent further pollution of the revision history.
+:In this context, please allow me to stress the collaborative nature of this encyclopedia. You find yourself in a situation where three different users, each with a commendable contribution history, happen to strongly disagree with some of your changes. You don't find their reasons good enough, but surely, you must have realized that they happen to think the very same about yours. I, for my part, must agree that you'll have to do better than brandishing unsourced claims of interactions with Ubisoft staff. This is why a more structured discussion is now necessary, and I very much doubt that calling your fellow editors "jerky" and other nonconstructive diatribes will be of much help to that effect.
+:To put things in perspective, I cannot for the life of me remember another case of edit warring on this wiki during its fifteen years of existence. This speaks volumes to the amount of controversy surrounding some of your changes.
+:Therefore, and with a quick resolution of the situation in mind, the next steps will be as follows:
+:*Purple bubble is to create, for each of the following 7 topics, which I believe comprehensively cover the nature of the contributions currently subject to controversy, a distinct section in the talk page of the relevant article, explaining why the change in question should be made, and providing sources where applicable:
+:**Mr Dark: trivia
+:**The Magician: mention of Andrew as a cousin, "but only in a spin-off" (also applicable to [https://raymanpc.com/wiki/script-en/index.php?title=Admiral_Razorbeard&diff=prev&oldid=90628 this revision])
+:**The Magician: mention of "Ales Mansay" as an official name
+:**The Magician: mention of "Dark Teensy" as an official name
+:**The Magician: mention of "Mr Dark" as an official name
+:**The Magician: trivia 1 - mention of the Magician as "a mix of the previous main antagonists of the series"
+:**The Magician: trivia 2 - mention of the use of the scrapped name "Ales Mansay" by a substantial portion ("many") of the fanbase
+:*Once this is done, discussions will begin, and contributors will be invited to freely debate about the validity of those additions.
+:*Finally, a voting process will follow. It will start independently for each issue after 7 days have passed without any addition to the discussion, or if the discussion has been going on for more than 30 days. In order to prevent the use of sockpuppets, only accounts with prior wiki or forum contribution history at the time of the introduction of the changes will be eligible to vote. The voting process will end, independently for each issue, after 7 days have passed since the last vote, unless it results in a tie, in which case additional votes will be required. The decision will be final, and users not respecting it will be liable to a ban.
+:I have done everything I could to provide you guys with the best framework for a constructive, collaborative and efficient resolution of the problem. Now is the time to do your part. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 01:22, 27 September 2023 (CEST)