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:So, yeah I'm in agreement, much as I like the idea of it being the Magician in cosplay, I don't remember any material that would state it as such. --[[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 20:48, 30 September 2023 (CEST)

::What Master said. It is NOT for us to make assumptions, we must present the information we are given at face value. The PSN avatar is called Mr. Dark? Then it's Mr. Dark. The concept art was called Mr. Dark on the official website? Then it's Mr. Dark, not the Magician, Barack Obama or Donald Trump. End of story. --[[User:＃rubber mark＃|#Rubber mark#]] ([[User talk:＃rubber mark＃|talk]]) 21:10, 30 September 2023 (CEST)

:What Master said. It is NOT for us to make assumptions, we must present the information we are given at face value. The PSN avatar is called Mr. Dark? Then it's Mr. Dark. The concept art was called Mr. Dark on the official website? Then it's Mr. Dark, not the Magician, Barack Obama or Donald Trump. End of story. --[[User:＃rubber mark＃|#Rubber mark#]] ([[User talk:＃rubber mark＃|talk]]) 21:10, 30 September 2023 (CEST)

:::Strangesolo is here! About the Magician and Mr Dark, I also think that Mr Dark's design for Origins was reused and altered a bit for Magician (like there is no swirls on Magician's nose, while Mr Dark had them or that he had more longer hair), it could also explain about why's Magician's sprites are still called as "dark" in the files of Origins. And in the official website's description, he was called as Mr Dark and his filename also named as "char-mr-dark", so I think that's Mr Dark and not Magician at all.

:Strangesolo is here! About the Magician and Mr Dark, I also think that Mr Dark's design for Origins was reused and altered a bit for Magician (like there is no swirls on Magician's nose, while Mr Dark had them or that he had more longer hair), it could also explain about why's Magician's sprites are still called as "dark" in the files of Origins. And in the official website's description, he was called as Mr Dark and his filename also named as "char-mr-dark", so I think that's Mr Dark and not Magician at all.

:::And speaking of that, there is funny thing that in [http://web.archive.org/web/20160224002231/http://raymanorigins.fr.ubi.com/dailybubble/index.php?language=EN&editionNum=9 9th issue] of "The Daily Bubble", Mr Dark (as Teensy) and the Magician appears at the same page.--[[User:Strangesolo|Strangesolo]] ([[User talk:Strangesolo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 September 2023 (CEST)

:And speaking of that, there is funny thing that in [http://web.archive.org/web/20160224002231/http://raymanorigins.fr.ubi.com/dailybubble/index.php?language=EN&editionNum=9 9th issue] of "The Daily Bubble", Mr Dark (as Teensy) and the Magician appears at the same page.--[[User:Strangesolo|Strangesolo]] ([[User talk:Strangesolo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 September 2023 (CEST)

:~~::::Strangesolo is here again! I have a question, where is this "In promotional material for Rayman Origins, probably to to avoid spoilers~~, ~~he was called Mr Dark" information even come from? Does anyone have a source of that claim or it~~'s ~~just an assumption? If it was based on the old Origins website~~ info ~~about Mr Dark (him~~, ~~not Magician), then that's wrong~~. ~~It also contradicts~~ with thing ~~with 9th issue of The Daily Bubble, where is Mr Dark and Magician appears on ''the same page''~~. ~~If they really wanted to avoid spoilers for Rayman Origins, they wouldn't put two ''suspiciously'' similar designs of two different characters on the same page for "The Daily Bubble"~~.--[[User:~~Strangesolo~~|~~Strangesolo~~]] ([[User talk:~~Strangesolo~~|talk]]) 10:26, ~~1 October~~ 2023 (CEST)

:It seems pretty clear-cut, there's incorrect info here, and it should be expunged. This seems easier to deal with than the Gonzo thing... [[User:Plumgmk|Plumgmk]] ([[User talk:Plumgmk|talk]]) 22:16, 30 September 2023 (CEST)

~~It seems pretty clear-cut~~, ~~there~~'s ~~incorrect~~ info ~~here~~, and ~~it should be expunged~~. ~~This seems easier~~ to ~~deal~~ with ~~than~~ the ~~Gonzo thing.~~.. [[User:~~Plumgmk~~|~~Plumgmk~~]] ([[User talk:~~Plumgmk~~|talk]]) 22:16, ~~30 September~~ 2023 (CEST)

:Strangesolo is here again! I have a question, where is this "In promotional material for Rayman Origins, probably to to avoid spoilers, he was called Mr Dark" information even come from? Does anyone have a source of that claim or it's just an assumption? If it was based on the old Origins website info about Mr Dark (him, not Magician), then that's wrong. It also contradicts with thing with 9th issue of The Daily Bubble, where is Mr Dark and Magician appears on ''the same page''. If they really wanted to avoid spoilers for Rayman Origins, they wouldn't put two ''suspiciously'' similar designs of two different characters on the same page for "The Daily Bubble".--[[User:Strangesolo|Strangesolo]] ([[User talk:Strangesolo|talk]]) 10:26, 1 October 2023 (CEST)

:I'm in agreement: this article is wrongly trying to promote some Magician cosplay theory while the simplest explanation to the information we have is that Mr Dark was planned for inclusion and later replaced with the Magician. '''Both''' articles must be corrected. --[[User:Hoodlumsworld|Hoodlumsworld]] ([[User talk:Hoodlumsworld|talk]]) 15:05, 1 October 2023 (CEST)

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 :So, yeah I'm in agreement, much as I like the idea of it being the Magician in cosplay, I don't remember any material that would state it as such. --[[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 20:48, 30 September 2023 (CEST)
-::What Master said. It is NOT for us to make assumptions, we must present the information we are given at face value. The PSN avatar is called Mr. Dark? Then it's Mr. Dark. The concept art was called Mr. Dark on the official website? Then it's Mr. Dark, not the Magician, Barack Obama or Donald Trump. End of story. --[[User:＃rubber mark＃|#Rubber mark#]] ([[User talk:＃rubber mark＃|talk]]) 21:10, 30 September 2023 (CEST)
+:What Master said. It is NOT for us to make assumptions, we must present the information we are given at face value. The PSN avatar is called Mr. Dark? Then it's Mr. Dark. The concept art was called Mr. Dark on the official website? Then it's Mr. Dark, not the Magician, Barack Obama or Donald Trump. End of story. --[[User:＃rubber mark＃|#Rubber mark#]] ([[User talk:＃rubber mark＃|talk]]) 21:10, 30 September 2023 (CEST)
-:::Strangesolo is here! About the Magician and Mr Dark, I also think that Mr Dark's design for Origins was reused and altered a bit for Magician (like there is no swirls on Magician's nose, while Mr Dark had them or that he had more longer hair), it could also explain about why's Magician's sprites are still called as "dark" in the files of Origins. And in the official website's description, he was called as Mr Dark and his filename also named as "char-mr-dark", so I think that's Mr Dark and not Magician at all.
+:Strangesolo is here! About the Magician and Mr Dark, I also think that Mr Dark's design for Origins was reused and altered a bit for Magician (like there is no swirls on Magician's nose, while Mr Dark had them or that he had more longer hair), it could also explain about why's Magician's sprites are still called as "dark" in the files of Origins. And in the official website's description, he was called as Mr Dark and his filename also named as "char-mr-dark", so I think that's Mr Dark and not Magician at all.
-:::And speaking of that, there is funny thing that in [http://web.archive.org/web/20160224002231/http://raymanorigins.fr.ubi.com/dailybubble/index.php?language=EN&editionNum=9 9th issue] of "The Daily Bubble", Mr Dark (as Teensy) and the Magician appears at the same page.--[[User:Strangesolo|Strangesolo]] ([[User talk:Strangesolo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 September 2023 (CEST)
+:And speaking of that, there is funny thing that in [http://web.archive.org/web/20160224002231/http://raymanorigins.fr.ubi.com/dailybubble/index.php?language=EN&editionNum=9 9th issue] of "The Daily Bubble", Mr Dark (as Teensy) and the Magician appears at the same page.--[[User:Strangesolo|Strangesolo]] ([[User talk:Strangesolo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 September 2023 (CEST)
-:::::Strangesolo is here again! I have a question, where is this "In promotional material for Rayman Origins, probably to to avoid spoilers, he was called Mr Dark" information  even come from? Does anyone have a source of that claim or it's just an assumption? If it was based on the old Origins website info about Mr Dark (him, not Magician), then that's wrong. It also contradicts with thing with 9th issue of The Daily Bubble, where is Mr Dark and Magician appears on ''the same page''. If they really wanted to avoid spoilers for Rayman Origins, they wouldn't put two ''suspiciously'' similar designs of two different characters on the same page for "The Daily Bubble".--[[User:Strangesolo|Strangesolo]] ([[User talk:Strangesolo|talk]]) 10:26, 1 October 2023 (CEST)
+:It seems pretty clear-cut, there's incorrect info here, and it should be expunged. This seems easier to deal with than the Gonzo thing... [[User:Plumgmk|Plumgmk]] ([[User talk:Plumgmk|talk]]) 22:16, 30 September 2023 (CEST)
-It seems pretty clear-cut, there's incorrect info here, and it should be expunged. This seems easier to deal with than the Gonzo thing... [[User:Plumgmk|Plumgmk]] ([[User talk:Plumgmk|talk]]) 22:16, 30 September 2023 (CEST)
+:Strangesolo is here again! I have a question, where is this "In promotional material for Rayman Origins, probably to to avoid spoilers, he was called Mr Dark" information  even come from? Does anyone have a source of that claim or it's just an assumption? If it was based on the old Origins website info about Mr Dark (him, not Magician), then that's wrong. It also contradicts with thing with 9th issue of The Daily Bubble, where is Mr Dark and Magician appears on ''the same page''. If they really wanted to avoid spoilers for Rayman Origins, they wouldn't put two ''suspiciously'' similar designs of two different characters on the same page for "The Daily Bubble".--[[User:Strangesolo|Strangesolo]] ([[User talk:Strangesolo|talk]]) 10:26, 1 October 2023 (CEST)
+:I'm in agreement: this article is wrongly trying to promote some Magician cosplay theory while the simplest explanation to the information we have is that Mr Dark was planned for inclusion and later replaced with the Magician. '''Both''' articles must be corrected. --[[User:Hoodlumsworld|Hoodlumsworld]] ([[User talk:Hoodlumsworld|talk]]) 15:05, 1 October 2023 (CEST)