Talk:Murray

Name

I can see the name of this article was changed from 'Giant eel' to 'Guardian of the Ocean World'. Not only is it, in my opinion, unnecessarily long and contrived, it also makes very little sense as this article is about the species, and not specifically about the individual guarding the Sea of Serendipity. Moreover, the attribute 'giant' may not be official, but calling them 'eels' is not less justified than calling their smaller counterparts 'Mini-Murrays', as both names come from the level names.

The 'small' eels being called 'Mini-Murrays' while having no visible connection with the boss 'Murray', which looks like a dragon and then a shrimp, but never like a giant eel, makes very little sense, it's true. However, if we are to blindly use level names as sources for creatures names (which I'm not sure we should do, remember the 'Mocking bird' discussion), we'll have to cope with it.

In conclusion, this article should either be renamed 'Giant eel' or just 'Eel', but the current name is an abomination. — 18:54, 21 May 2012 (CEST)

I'd prefer to keep the word 'Guardian' in the titles of the bird and eel articles, as it strengthens the connection between them and generally makes the layout of the game's progression clearer. How about 'Guardian Bird' and 'Guardian Eel', or 'Music Guardian' and 'Ocean Guardian'?

I don't see any reason the article should be about the species rather than the individual. As far as I can recall, the giant eel is a unique character, while his small, pink, invincible counterparts are a distinctly different type of enemy. (However, all of this is moot if there are any other gigantic blue eels that I've forgotten.)

The name 'Eel' isn't strictly accurate either, as they're more like lobster centipede monsters than anything else. —Spiraldoor 19:36, 21 May 2012 (CEST)

It is situations like this that I would like that developers concerned a little more in giving names to the creatures. What can I say... I also think the name is unecessairly too long, but I also think that naming just "Eel" would be minorizing the role of the character in the game. If the ingame textures don't give any tips, we must try to find better alternatives. I would call it something close to "Giant Blue Eel". --Haruka 20:31, 21 May 2012 (CEST)

One source that we haven't yet given much attention is the game's audio files, which were ripped by Drolpiraat. In the filenames, the bosses are referred to as 'Mountain Golem', 'Boss Bird', 'Boss Ocean', 'Boss Guardian', 'Ocean Guardian', 'Boss Moray', 'Boss Food', 'Mecha Boss Bird', 'Mecha BPL', and 'Big Mama'. Some of them are obvious, but a few are confusing, and the very short length of the files doesn't help when it comes to identifying them. Maybe some of these could help us in determining a name for each boss? —Spiraldoor 21:08, 21 May 2012 (CEST)

There are, actually, three 'giant eels' in the game: one in Aim for the Eel!, guarding the Sea of Serendipity, and two in Murray of the Deep, chasing Rayman underwater. Hence the need to refer to the species.

As concerns their name, either we take the level names at face value (mocking bird, eel, etc.) or we try to make up coherent names (the music boss doesn't look like a mockingbird, the ocean guardian doesn't look like an eel, etc.), but there's no third way. Since we seem to have chosen the first one, then lobster centipede monsters will be eels.

I like Guardian bird for the music guardian. But what about the ocean guardian? Giant eel, Guardian eel, Giant blue eel? — 22:22, 21 May 2012 (CEST)

Guardian Bird and Guardian Eel, I guess? —Spiraldoor 22:55, 21 May 2012 (CEST)

I'm still saying Giant Blue Eel. --Haruka 00:33, 22 May 2012 (CEST)

It says Giant Eel in the trophy list. --iHeckler9 08:50, 22 May 2012 (CEST)

Come to think about it, that's probably where I got it from. No need to make up a name if there's already one: 'Giant Eel' (should we capitalise the word 'Eel'? grammar says no but the trophy says yes). The other names can be used as redirects. And since we're also discussing the bird, shouldn't it be 'Guardian bird' rather than 'Guardian Bird'? — 11:29, 22 May 2012 (CEST)

I would prefer to capitalise the name 'Giant Eel', as it's the closest thing the character has to a name, and calling him 'Giant eel' or 'giant eel' would stick out like a sore thumb next to all the other character articles on the wiki. Thankfully the trophy gives the 'Giant Eel' spelling a measure of officiality.

However, I don't think we should use the word 'Guardian' in the name of one guardian and not the name of the other. If 'Guardian of the Ocean World' is to be moved to 'Giant Eel', it follows that 'Guardian of the Music World' should be moved to 'Giant Bird' for the sake of consistency – which creates further problems, as there are two giant bird bosses in the game. It's a real mess.

One idea I've been toying with is naming the four main bosses after their benevolent counterparts. Maybe 'Forest King', 'Music King', 'Food King' and 'Ocean King'? Or 'Flower King', 'Bird King', 'Dragon King' and 'Shrimp King'? Just another possibility to consider. —Spiraldoor 18:34, 22 May 2012 (CEST)

iHeckler is right, I didn't remind this. About the bird, I would call it Guardian bird, with the noun non capitalized. --Haruka 12:32, 22 May 2012 (CEST)

There's still a big difference: Giant Eel is a species (one of these arguably being the Guardian eel), while the Guardian bird is an individual (and Giant bird arguably being the species). As concerns the kings, I'd rather choose the second list, but why would we suddenly stop using the names from level names? Damn, Origins sure is a mess to document. — 12:21, 24 May 2012 (CEST)

How did we not think of this before? In the level Murray of the Deep, both the Giant Eel and the Shrimp King appear, so the name Murray could apply to either of them! And since Giant Eels are basically larger versions of Mini-Murrays, it now seems obvious that Murray actually refers to the Giant Eels. — 16:33, 24 May 2012 (CEST)

Maybe the word 'Murray' is actually a plural? That would explain why the level names are 'Beware of Mini-Murray' and 'Murray of the Deep', rather than 'Beware of the Mini-Murrays' and 'Murrays of the Deep'. It could even be that it's both singular and plural, like the word 'sheep' – this would explain the way in which it's used to describe both the individual Murray and the multiple Mini-Murray. —Spiraldoor 17:20, 24 May 2012 (CEST)

Um, isn't "Murray" the name of the boss, rather than the regular enemies? It simply sounds wrong to have the eel species to be "Murray," and I am sure it is not what the developers intended. --technology4617 (talk) 02:58, 24 December 2013 (CET)