Linux

[PluMGMK]

Back when I used Mint, I considered myself a Cinnamon person, but IIRC MATE will be less of a shock if you're used to Windows.

 

[The Jonster]

Back when I used Mint, I considered myself a Cinnamon person, but IIRC MATE will be less of a shock if you're used to Windows.

Interesting....I should do some more research on both then before I actually begin installing, since I've gotten so used to Windows at this point. Though I think I didn't point this out, but I'm planning to install them in a way that I can just start Ubuntu/Linux from Windows first to practice before I take the next step and do dual booting. (That makes sense right?)

 

[PluMGMK]

Using a VM? Sure, you can try that. But of course using a VM means you avoid the driver issues that may crop up once you start using it on real hardware.

 

[Steo]

When you do install it, GRUB will load first then you can choose Linux or Windows. Linux will be the default choice.

I actually used Cinnamon but never tried MATE, well not in years anyway. I'm assuming with the latest Mint there shouldn't be any driver issues but if so they can be solved usually by just updating the kernel with ukuu. You're allowed to boot previous kernels if the latest one breaks it.

 

[Fifo]

Try a VM before repartitioning your actual system. I’d recommend VirtualBox for a start.

 

[The Jonster]

Using a VM? Sure, you can try that. But of course using a VM means you avoid the driver issues that may crop up once you start using it on real hardware.

Try a VM before repartitioning your actual system. I’d recommend VirtualBox for a start.

I'm aware of the drawbacks, thanks guys! Got a lot to think about, since I want to start programming inside a Linux OS again instead of Windows (even though VisualStudio/Code is cool)
A lesson that I learned when I tried repartitioning my old laptop back in Uni and then couldn't get into Ubuntu which left part of the hard disk(or is it drive) untouchable, since my friend had the disk I needed and he graduated Uni by the end of that year.

When you do install it, GRUB will load first then you can choose Linux or Windows. Linux will be the default choice.

I actually used Cinnamon but never tried MATE, well not in years anyway. I'm assuming with the latest Mint there shouldn't be any driver issues but if so they can be solved usually by just updating the kernel with ukuu. You're allowed to boot previous kernels if the latest one breaks it.

I'll keep this in mind

 

[Steo]

A lesson that I learned when I tried repartitioning my old laptop back in Uni and then couldn't get into Ubuntu which left part of the hard disk(or is it drive) untouchable, since my friend had the disk I needed and he graduated Uni by the end of that year.

The data is not gone until you format the HDD. Just because you broke GRUB or the MBR doesn't mean the data isn't still there, but just that your PC doesn't know how to boot the OS anymore.

 

[incognito]

I respect your opinion.
EDIT: Though mine is certainly not unstable. I generally don't have any crashes or stupidity like that.

You sure about that mate ? I recall something, yeah, almost two years ago...

 rm -r

Ah yeah, that.

LFS = System for Mad Kunts, no one can change my mind on this one. No one.
I consider my time too precious to spend an entire month just to configure an unstable ass system...

The point of LFS is not to build a system that you will use every day. It is meant to be a interactive course to teach you about how a Linux system is made in depth.

Thus ain't what Plum did, skipper, and this doesn't take out the fact that you have to be sadomasochistic to use it as your daily driver.

 

[LoveMetal]

I'm pretty sure that Plum has much more Linux knowledge than both of us, so using LFS as his main system may not require him a lot of time.

 

[incognito]

The posts that are in this topic say otherwise, no matter how consequent one's knowledge is on Linux, it is still extremely impractical and counter productive to use it as a daily driver.

 

[PopuriAO29]

have anyone who remembered using Wubi.exe?
Wubi.exe is just actually for install Windows on Ubuntu, which it adds the boot name called: Ubuntu.
At least how much size for make hard disk image.

Since Wubi.exe has discontinued, there is unofficial version for wubi.exe
Hakuna-m has included Wubi-efi (as an unofficial version). which it supports UEFI and newer versions of ubuntu.

 

[Steo]

I remember it actually. To be fair though it's fairly easy to create a Linux Live USB using Rufus and then just boot from the USB stick without even modifying the current windows installation. That way you can see if you'll have any driver problems like Plum has mentioned.

 

[PopuriAO29]

SharpBoot doesn't work for me, besides there is upcoming version that will be 5.0, unfortunately i can't make iso. So i have XBoot v1.0 Beta 14.
I have some lot ISO for Linux, including Slitaz, TinyCore, gParted, and Parted Magic. which i also find old versions for ubuntu, as well Long-term support.

In that case, i'll see what i'm going make multiboot ISO what i'm making later.

 

[The Jonster]

A lesson that I learned when I tried repartitioning my old laptop back in Uni and then couldn't get into Ubuntu which left part of the hard disk(or is it drive) untouchable, since my friend had the disk I needed and he graduated Uni by the end of that year.

The data is not gone until you format the HDD. Just because you broke GRUB or the MBR doesn't mean the data isn't still there, but just that your PC doesn't know how to boot the OS anymore.

Yeah, I think that's what happened to my old computer. (I forgot to respond but that's ok).

I'm not making the same mistake again, I'll VM first then consider dual booting. Since I only have one real laptop of mine I can use, I have to be really cautious since I'm not skilled at partitioning or installing OSes as some of you. I've already got my Virtualbox with Mint up, so I'm going to do some experimenting with it tonight.

 

[Steo]

Your data isn't gone when that happens though, you can run a Linux Live USB then access the data. Either that or put the HDD into another computer with an OS on it then copy the files you want.

 

[PluMGMK]

Ah yes, I remember Wubi. I think I used it on my Granny's PC to quietly transition her to Ubuntu, as XP drew towards its EOL!

 

[PopuriAO29]

I am not sure if i'm finding some other operating system linux. however, i haven't checked out like Ophcrack, YLMF, Zorin OS, etc.
By the way, i'll see if i want make multiboot iso so that i can make myself. for making utility.
I'll be able use with my project Hiren's Boot CD (Unofficial), which means i'll make the multiboot. and i am not sure about Parted Magic should update latest version in future.

As you may know, i can make it later. since HBCD have Grub4DOS. i'll let you know for making custom install for XP/Server 2003 or Vista/7.
So... i haven't make HBCD 16.4 Remastered Beta, due i have lot things to do for updating system files for XP that making up to date.

 

[Fifo]

[Bump!]

PluMGMK, you might remember that I was trying to get SVGA in Mandrake to work in VirtualBox awhile back with no success.

Well, I can now say that I’ve finally got it working flawlessly in full 1280x1024!

I did have some trouble with it though – I had to find an older version of VMware Tools.

Failing to find it separately, I searched for an older version of VMware.

I’ve managed to find the VMware Workstation 4.5.2 package – which should be old enough to support such old guests – in .exe form.

I couldn’t extract the VMware Tools image directly from it though – so, failing that, I searched further and found a tar package of VMware 4.5.2.

Success, I found the VMware Tools image in there!

Hoping it’ll work, I proceeded to install it:

# mount /mnt/cdrom
# tar xzf /mnt/cdrom/<vmware tools archive>
# cd <vmware tools directory>
# ./<install file>.pl
-snip-
# startx
<fail>
#

Failing to get it to work, I did further research and found that VMware Tools’ video driver doesn’t work with XFree86 4.0.0.

Mandrake insisted on installing XFree86 4.0.0 everytime – so I gave up on trying to get it to work.

I tried giving RedHat 6.2 (not RHEL) a try – the install went through fine. However, I was stuck in that SCSI timeout loop. I figured out how to fix it though! I had to boot the “vmlinuz-up” kernel.

That worked fine – I proceeded to install VMware Tools and it went through flawlessly.

Succeeding with that, I tried getting it to work with Mandrake again.

I tried to remove the XFree86 4.0.0 package and ran ‘startx’ again. No luck.

Still failing to get the damned thing to work, I tried reinstalling VMware Tools to see if it would notice that XFree86 4.0.0 is no longer installed and use 3.3.6 instead.

It worked – the VMware Tools install script no longer referred to XFree86 4.0.0.

I ran ‘startx’, and – it worked without issues!

I was in so much joy. I felt like I’ve done the impossible!

 

[The Jonster]

I for one am glad to see how happy you are with getting them to work!

 

[Fifo]

The adventure continues…

I’ve also managed to install Mandrake 5.1 (which has KDE 1.0!) in VMware.

It wasn’t tough now that I know what to do, but I did have a few issues: the VMware Tools installer couldn’t find the lspci binary.

I tried pointing it to /usr/bin/lspcidrake (that one worked when I did it on 7.x) – no luck.

Failing to find it in the system (I searched every directory where binaries would be usually stored, like /bin, /usr/bin, /sbin, /usr/sbin, etc.), I did ln -s /usr/bin/lsdev /usr/bin/lspci.

It worked fine and the installer didn’t spew out anything weird.

When the installation finished I launched the X server.

I got a KDE 1.0 desktop!

Wow. It’s amazing how far KDE went.