Rayman 2

[Master]

Meh, I find less FPS inclined folk in my current year group, I've found groups who are very much for Tabletop RPGs, play stuff like Pokemon, and have such a variety of gaming inclinations that I'm frankly low level compared to that.

[Haruka]

It's true, but there are just so many fps and fps-like bloody, brutal, killing games and ( unfortunately ) a lot of them sells well. Plus people who I meet daily ( and who play video games ) are talking only about these games, and fucking annoys me and makes me sad that they have no need for anything else, and that their taste narrows down to this point.
The thing that makes me a bit happier is that for example, one of my classmates has Rayman Jungle Run on his phone, plus when I had my tab and Rayman on it, many people have played with it and actually liked it.
Though for me it is inexplicable why the number of people who play platformers and games alike is relatively small compared to fps games.

It actually saddens me how the number of platform players decreased progressively with the technology evolution. When before pretty much everybody was playing platforming games without feeling shame, now you only look badass if you play an FPS and bash a platformer since it "is for small kids and FPS is really for men". Sure, people are free to play what they want and to have their own tastes, but this kind of argument (if it can be even considered to be one) saddens me. Unfortunately, it is what it sells well. That and FIFA. Since it is what it sells, it is what people make. That's the reality.

[Adsolution]

It doesn't really sadden me, because they're simply fads. 3D platformers were a fad from the mid-90s to the early-2000s, and I find myself enjoying a lot of FPS/Sandbox games just as much as some great platformers of the day. I also think that the "you suck if you don't play modern games" is only really confined to middle school, but even then, I'm sure all of us knew plenty of people who weren't like that even then.

[Truner]

If platformers are a fad and only brutal/bloody games are "hip"... than exactly what kind of game is Alice: Madness Returns?

I'd NOT recommend that for kids, yet I love it as an action-platformer. Not to say that Rayman needs to go down that route. Speaking of 3D platformers, there's A Hat in Time, that one should appease platormer fans. Or you could just grab an emulator and play Super Mario 64 all the time, because frankly, nothing is going to beat it. Ever.

[Master]

I think what Ad means is that 3D Platformers were the dominant genre in the 90's-Early 2000's in the same way FPSes are now the dominant genre. I don't think he's actually showing negativity to the games the genre holds, merely to the attitude.

As for Mario 64, meh. Honestly, I respect it for what it did for the platforming genre, but in no way do I consider it the pinnacle, its own successors like Galaxy have pretty much built upon, refined and even expanded on what it has done, and I honestly think the outcome is far superior.

[Truner]

I think what Ad means is that 3D Platformers were the dominant genre in the 90's-Early 2000's in the same way FPSes are now the dominant genre. I don't think he's actually showing negativity to the games the genre holds, merely to the attitude.

As for Mario 64, meh. Honestly, I respect it for what it did for the platforming genre, but in no way do I consider it the pinnacle, its own successors like Galaxy have pretty much built upon, refined and even expanded on what it has done, and I honestly think the outcome is far superior.

Its successors like Sunshine and Galaxy took away most of the fun. The lack of freedom, the gimped moves. Even though Galaxy brought back the long jump, it's slow and lacks power. Much like everything else about Mario in the games after 64. The level design in Galaxy is pretty good, but without the freedom 64 had, the stages feel very limited.

[Master]

Ah, I see, more for the explorative kind of stage? If you don't mind my asking, ever played any of the Metroid titles?

[Truner]

Yes and the fact that you can get multiple stars on a stage in Super Mario 64. On Bob-Omb Battlefield (first stage), you don't have to beat King Bob-omb to get your first star, you can just free the Chain-Chomp. Super Mario 64 is full of cases like this. The rest? Not really, no.

Yeah, I like Metroid games in general.

[Master]

Hmm, I'd personally take Metroid Prime over Mario 64, it's more attuned to my tastes. Though to be fair, the genres don't really correlate as much I guess.

[OCG]

I really find Mario 64 really overrated. Like Master said, I appreciate it because it helped Platformers in general but I would rather play Croc, Pac-Man World, Spyro Trilogy and even first Crash game over Mario 64.
I know this is opinion based but I find Galaxy way better than 64. It maybe took out the freedom Mario 64 had but I would prefer lack of freedoom than to constantly be lost
What Mario 64 needs is a Wii U remake similar to DS version with map and characters but just full HD of course, and better controls (doing some jumping tricks and such can be real pain in N64 version :/)

It actually saddens me how the number of platform players decreased progressively with the technology evolution. When before pretty much everybody was playing platforming games without feeling shame, now you only look badass if you play an FPS and bash a platformer since it "is for small kids and FPS is really for men". Sure, people are free to play what they want and to have their own tastes, but this kind of argument (if it can be even considered to be one) saddens me. Unfortunately, it is what it sells well. That and FIFA. Since it is what it sells, it is what people make. That's the reality.

The main problem with people like that is that they deep inside still find Platformers fun, but just wont admit it. Not to mention that they are also very easily butthurt. Prime example of that is Rayman Legends delay. They were thinking that game is good but suddenly after delay, they forget about it and go play newest GTA or CoD instead. It could be because of others or something that most of those people let themselves believe that Platformers are bad and that GTA and CoD are superior games and not that they truly think that themselves.

[Haruka]

The DS remake of Mario 64 is really good, I did enjoy it more than the original N64 title. At least it was possible to fully complete it by yourself without external help while Sunshine isn't really the case (urgh, those blue coins!). But it isn't the best Mario title and it isn't my favourite Mario title either. This was the game that Mario did conquer me:

[Truner]

I really find Mario 64 really overrated. Like Master said, I appreciate it because it helped Platformers in general but I would rather play Croc, Pac-Man World, Spyro Trilogy and even first Crash game over Mario 64.
I know this is opinion based but I find Galaxy way better than 64. It maybe took out the freedom Mario 64 had but I would prefer lack of freedoom than to constantly be lost
What Mario 64 needs is a Wii U remake similar to DS version with map and characters but just full HD of course, and better controls (doing some jumping tricks and such can be real pain in N64 version :/)

While I do absolutely love the Croc games and the original Spyro trilogy, I'd much, MUCH rather play Super Mario 64 instead. You have more control over Mario in 64 overall, which is what seals the deal for me. Though fighting about that would be useless.

The DS remake of Mario 64 is really good, I did enjoy it more than the original N64 title. At least it was possible to fully complete it by yourself without external help while Sunshine isn't really the case (urgh, those blue coins!). But it isn't the best Mario title and it isn't my favourite Mario title either. This was the game that Mario did conquer me:

I could only enjoy the DS remake on emulator. Playing it on a DS is a pain in the ass; the controls are broken and the engine took a turn for the worse, as it feels much more like Super Mario Sunshine than Super Mario 64. I don't know what external help is needed for Super Mario 64 or Super Mario Sunshine though. I pretty much play games by myself and rarely have any problems with them. That said, I personally find Super Mario Sunshine really boring, aside from the Secret Courses.

I personally prefer Super Mario 64 and the Mario & Luigi series over Paper Mario. Especially Mario & Luigi, the humor is much better in those games. That said, we should really get back to Rayman 2 talk instead of Mario, methinks.

[Master]

One aspect you'll find regarding off-topicness here is that we don't really mind it in many instances, just as long as it doesn't get out of hand. I think the discussion we've got currently seems pretty interesting. However, there's nothing wrong with bringing us back to the topic in hand if you wish.

[todpole]

My thoughts on Rayman 2:
Pro:
-Good 3D graphics
-Good characters I want to see more of.
-Most threatening villain in the series(until Mr.Dark makes a return)
-The dark areas(Skull Cave, Cave of Bad Dreams)and the wacky moments(Walking shells, the Teenies) really stand out

Con:
-Easiest bosses in the series
-A bit too serious compared to the rest of the series
-most areas look the same and are pretty bland
-Could use a bit more enemy variety but that's just me.

[Haruka]

I don't know what external help is needed for (...) Super Mario Sunshine though.

(urgh, those blue coins!).

Someone who was able to find all the blue coins by himself is not a human. I really can't see someone getting all of the blue coins without the help of a written guide.

A note about Super Mario 64 DS' controls, I know they are not perfect but at the time it really did not affect me because it was my first DS game and the console was quite recent too.

[OCG]

A note about Super Mario 64 DS' controls, I know they are not perfect but at the time it really did not affect me because it was my first DS game and the console was quite recent too.

And that is exactly why the best way of playing SM64DS is on 3DS. Having analog pad makes it MUCH more enjoyable. Rayman DS even if played on 3DS with analog still sucks though

[Adsolution]

Same as Haruka for me, I didn't mind the controls at all.

[Truner]

Having a 3DS Analog won't help much, because the problem lies in the button layout. Had the run be mapped to a shoulder button, it would've been better. Or if the touch screen analog stayed at the same place, like in Rayman DS (in Super Mario 64 DS, the analog followed you around and once you reached the edge of the screen, it was hard to move around).

[Haruka]

I guess we shouldn't complain since the game was a DS release title. At least I could make people envious when showing them the game while they had a GBA SP.

[OCG]

Anyone heared about Rayman Revolution blue transparent controller? Truner once saw it on Hungarian auction site but it seems that it is really rare since it was never seen again. It most likely came bundled with some copies of game (possibly Hungary only sinceI also never saw it on eBay or such sites. I hope some people here heared about it.