Talk:Four Masks of Polokus

Fire vs. Earth

Why was the conclusion drawn that the Earth mask is in the Sanctuary of Stone and Fire? Granted, it can be argued either way, but I think the name nearly says enough. Plus let's not discount all the flamethrowers in the Sanctuary of Stone and Fire, not to mention the emphasis of going deeper and deeper into the Earth in the Sanctuary of Rock and Lava (complete with splitting it into two levels, the second "Beneath" the first). Just seems weird to me. --Plumgmk (talk) 01:11, 4 April 2014 (CEST)

Hmm, do we really need the elemental terming in the first place? It seems a tad bit speculative seeing as the elements are never really given outright.-- 16:16, 4 April 2014 (CEST)

I agree, this information in unsourced and speculative. — 16:27, 4 April 2014 (CEST)

It's speculative all right, but it's also quite obviously the intention. I realise the names of the second and third sanctuaries are counter-intuitive, but consider everything else about them: Stone and Fire is full of grass, stone, plums, lava, and generally earthly imagery, the boss is a dull stone statue and the mask is stone too. Rock and Lava is far more incandescent, doing away with much of the earth imagery in favour of more fire and hotter lava, culminating in a 100% fire-themed boss and an agonised-looking red mask. Remove the elemental references if you like, but I have no doubt that they were a deliberate motif created by the developers, if a slightly muddled one. —Spiraldoor 22:51, 4 April 2014 (CEST)

I've been thinking about this, and I'm starting to think that they got a bit lazy towards the end. Foutch was a recycled Axel with extra HP (think about it) and they didn't even have a proper Sanctuary for the fourth mask. That might explain why it's "muddled". --Plumgmk (talk) 00:01, 5 April 2014 (CEST)

To be fair, the naming of the Sanctuaries clearly follows the four elements. In fact, many years ago when I was discussing them (and knew nothing of the elements myself), my grandfather immediately spotted the pattern and suggested that the fourth should be the Sanctuary of Wind and Air. --Plumgmk (talk) 17:40, 4 April 2014 (CEST)

I'm with Master and Hunch in this, but I also have a believe that the masks tend to represent Plato's elements (I think even Rayman M hints this in Rise and Shrine's relieves). Like Spiral said, Stone and Fire tends more to represent Earth (Due to the large presence of stone, flora, and the guardian himself who is made of stone) and Rock and Lava tends more to represent Fire (Lava everywhere and Foutch constantly using fire attacks). But then, the Plato's elements weren't anything confirmed officially so this is only my speculation because there are oddities like the paradox of the Sanctuary names, Axel who uses ice attacks (Although it is just water in solid state), Grolem 13 who also uses (indirect) electrical attacks mixed up with air attacks (tornados) and the presence of a giant Third Mask of Polokus in the bonus battlefield of Rayman M, which isn't quite anything related with fire. --Haruka 14:03, 5 April 2014 (CEST)

I can't deny that there's some logic behind the masks and their elements, but I don't think we should make the proclamations as bluntly as we have here, seeing as it's not all that clear within the game itself.-- 14:42, 5 April 2014 (CEST)

Due to the innexistence of evidences, I think that the Plato's elements shouldn't be mentioned in the articles. --Haruka 13:55, 6 April 2014 (CEST)

Or maybe suggested in one place rather than outright stated everywhere. --Plumgmk (talk) 22:11, 6 April 2014 (CEST)