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::*It deals an infinite amount of damage against everyone but Master Kaag, in which case the most logical solution (if any) might be to consider it deals 6 HP.

::*It deals a limited amount of damage, more than 15, but Master Kaag having more than 45 HP makes very little sense to me, so I'm not really sure what to do in such a situation.

::I'm going to try it against other bosses in order to figure it out. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]]

::I'm going to try it against other bosses in order to figure it out. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 23:08, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

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:::Tell more news after. As I told before, I believe it is the first chance you've pointed that's more plausible than the second. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 23:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

::::''Curiouser and curiouser!'' Begoniax is totally impervious to the Shock Rocket, while it is enough to reduce Razoff's health to zero in the first encounter (for some reason though, I had to hit him once more to defeat him, but considering that it happens even if I hit him a couple times first, it definitely takes all of his hit points). A Shock Rocket is also enough to defeat a Hoodlock, but it passes through Stumblebooms. There's not much left to try: Razoff II, Reflux I and Reflux II, but I'm not sure it's gonna bring much order to this nonsense! Oh, when I come to think about it, at least I'll be able to check whether it is possible to hit the Hoodloon. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 01:33, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:::::I suppose this means that the Shock Rocket deals an indeterminate amount of damage somewhere between 6 and infinity. Since hitting Bégoniax, Razoff and Reflux isn't intended to be possible in the game, I think we can conclude that the results are non-canonical (eg, Bégoniax is not really immune to explosions). It sounds like the Shock Rocket is more or less designed to kill anything it hits, with some glitch-induced exceptions. I say we should assume a power of 6 for the time being – meaning 18 HP for Master Kaag. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 19:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

::::::Thanks to Razoff's staggering health in the second battle, I was able to determine that the Shock Rocket deals 76 damage. Unfortunately, not only does this figure prove nothing regarding other enemies, it appears as quite nonsensical and the means of its acquisition are highly disputable. I think that yes, we should consider that it deals 6 damage. I have gathered interesting results on bosses' resistance using CheatEngine and I'll post them later on the appropriate talk page. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 21:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

That seems challenging. I guess you calculated the damage as "6" since the Hoodboom can be defeated with just one Shock Rocket, but could be just a different programming? --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 20:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

:::::Try shooting a Lavomatrix and see what happens. --[[User:Iheckler9|iHeckler9]][[File:Life.gif|link=User:Iheckler9]] 14:35, 12 March 2012 (CET)

::::::Will you stop trying to change the dates on talk pages? —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 15:13, 12 March 2012 (CET)

:::::::I'm not sure I'll ever find time to try the shock rocket against Reflux's different forms, so we'll assume a power of 6 for the moment. Additional tests are very likely to either confirm the 76 damage figure or lead to another large one anyway. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 11:53, 14 March 2012 (CET)

::::::::I think it still matters though. If I had CheatEngine I would gladly do it. Also, Hunchman, when did you hit Begoniax? When she was a frog or when she was normal? That might matter. --[[User:Iheckler9|iHeckler9]][[File:Life.gif|link=User:Iheckler9]] 08:08, 20 March 2012 (CET)

:::::::::Next time you want to post something on a talk page, just start a new line. Revising old edits and changing the timestamp is weird. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 11:23, 20 March 2012 (CET)

::::::::::Indeed, I'm already confused. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 16:09, 20 March 2012 (CET)

:::::::::I'm afraid I don't remember. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 17:42, 20 March 2012 (CET)

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 ::*It deals an infinite amount of damage against everyone but Master Kaag, in which case the most logical solution (if any) might be to consider it deals 6 HP.
 ::*It deals a limited amount of damage, more than 15, but Master Kaag having more than 45 HP makes very little sense to me, so I'm not really sure what to do in such a situation.
-::I'm going to try it against other bosses in order to figure it out. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]]
+::I'm going to try it against other bosses in order to figure it out. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 23:08, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
-[[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 23:08, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 :::Tell more news after. As I told before, I believe it is the first chance you've pointed that's more plausible than the second. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 23:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
+::::''Curiouser and curiouser!'' Begoniax is totally impervious to the Shock Rocket, while it is enough to reduce Razoff's health to zero in the first encounter (for some reason though, I had to hit him once more to defeat him, but considering that it happens even if I hit him a couple times first, it definitely takes all of his hit points). A Shock Rocket is also enough to defeat a Hoodlock, but it passes through Stumblebooms. There's not much left to try: Razoff II, Reflux I and Reflux II, but I'm not sure it's gonna bring much order to this nonsense! Oh, when I come to think about it, at least I'll be able to check whether it is possible to hit the Hoodloon. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 01:33, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
+:::::I suppose this means that the Shock Rocket deals an indeterminate amount of damage somewhere between 6 and infinity. Since hitting Bégoniax, Razoff and Reflux isn't intended to be possible in the game, I think we can conclude that the results are non-canonical (eg, Bégoniax is not really immune to explosions). It sounds like the Shock Rocket is more or less designed to kill anything it hits, with some glitch-induced exceptions. I say we should assume a power of 6 for the time being – meaning 18 HP for Master Kaag. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 19:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
+::::::Thanks to Razoff's staggering health in the second battle, I was able to determine that the Shock Rocket deals 76 damage. Unfortunately, not only does this figure prove nothing regarding other enemies, it appears as quite nonsensical and the means of its acquisition are highly disputable. I think that yes, we should consider that it deals 6 damage. I have gathered interesting results on bosses' resistance using CheatEngine and I'll post them later on the appropriate talk page. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 21:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 That seems challenging. I guess you calculated the damage as "6" since the Hoodboom can be defeated with just one Shock Rocket, but could be just a different programming? --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 20:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
+:::::Try shooting a Lavomatrix and see what happens. --[[User:Iheckler9|iHeckler9]][[File:Life.gif|link=User:Iheckler9]] 14:35, 12 March 2012 (CET)
+::::::Will you stop trying to change the dates on talk pages? —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 15:13, 12 March 2012 (CET)
+:::::::I'm not sure I'll ever find time to try the shock rocket against Reflux's different forms, so we'll assume a power of 6 for the moment. Additional tests are very likely to either confirm the 76 damage figure or lead to another large one anyway. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 11:53, 14 March 2012 (CET)
+::::::::I think it still matters though. If I had CheatEngine I would gladly do it. Also, Hunchman, when did you hit Begoniax? When she was a frog or when she was normal? That might matter. --[[User:Iheckler9|iHeckler9]][[File:Life.gif|link=User:Iheckler9]] 08:08, 20 March 2012 (CET)
+:::::::::Next time you want to post something on a talk page, just start a new line. Revising old edits and changing the timestamp is weird. —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 11:23, 20 March 2012 (CET)
+::::::::::Indeed, I'm already confused. --[[Image:Sparkle.gif]][[User:Haruka|Haruka]][[Image:Sparkle.gif]] 16:09, 20 March 2012 (CET)
+:::::::::I'm afraid I don't remember. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|link=User:Hunchman801]] 17:42, 20 March 2012 (CET)