Talk:The Magician: Difference between revisions

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Could the user(s) give a valid and coherent reason of why they don't wanna let me edit the article in peace and keep reverting all my edits? Because I didn't get any so far! [[User:Purple bubble|Purple bubble]] ([[User talk:Purple bubble|talk]]) 22:00, 26 September 2023 (CEST)

:As a consequence of the OP's failure to follow to resolution process detailed [[User talk:Hunchman801#Mr. Dark and The Magician locked indefinitely? Isn't it a little excessive?|here]], this debate is now closed. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 20:29, 30 September 2023 (CEST)

== Ales Mansay, mixed villains, cousin ==

The name Ales Mansay is still used by people who worked on Rayman Origins and Legends and on the series in general (including the fact that he was called Mr. Dark before the release of Rayman Origins to avoid spoilers, even on the online stores of PlayStation and XBox), the character is really a mix of the previous villains of the series, and he had a cousin only in the non-canonical educational spin-off English with Rayman, so technically it doesn't count and it needs to be specified, just like for Razorbeard and Razorwife. [[User:Purple bubble|Purple bubble]] ([[User talk:Purple bubble|talk]]) 22:08, 26 September 2023 (CEST)

:As a consequence of the OP's failure to follow to resolution process detailed [[User talk:Hunchman801#Mr. Dark and The Magician locked indefinitely? Isn't it a little excessive?|here]], this debate is now closed. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 20:29, 30 September 2023 (CEST)

==Mr. Dark as a name==

The [https://raymanpc.com/wiki/script-en/index.php?title=The_Magician&curid=96&diff=93043&oldid=93010 latest changes] to this article added the following line to the trivia section: "In promotional material for Rayman Origins, probably to to [sic] avoid spoilers, he was called Mr Dark."

Since the references point to a PlayStation Network avatar, this should be referred to as such, rather than the generic "promotional material", but this is not the most important here.

What matters more is the identity of the character depicted on the avatar itself. As detailed [[Mr Dark#In Rayman Origins|here]], both a 2011 interview and the website for Rayman Origins show that Mr Dark was meant to appear in the game, but was eventually scrapped. Therefore, the character in the avatar, of whom nothing can be seen underneath his hat and cloak, is most likely Mr Dark himself, before he was replaced by the Magician.

What adds to the confusion is [[:File:Char-mr-dark.png|this picture]], which is currently labeled on this wiki as "The Magician disguised as his idol, Mr Dark" or "The Magician takes on the mantle of Mr Dark". Due to the clothes being identical, this may tend to indicate that the character in the avatar is also the Magician.

However, boomboleros7 [[Talk:Mr Dark#Could it be Mr. Dark?|brought this up]] as early as 2012, explaining that there is no reason to believe that the character in the second image is in fact the Magician disguised as Mr Dark, but rather Mr Dark before his removal from the game. In short, Mr Dark was originally made a Teensie, and they reused his appearance as the Magician's when he was cut from the game. Boombo's remark was never acted upon on the English wiki, but the French wiki [[:fr:Mr Dark|does]] correctly label this image as Mr Dark and not the Magician.

Therefore, I believe that the information on the English wiki is erroneous (including remarks such as "The dark character who appeared in the trailer and the site was simply the Magician disguised as Mr Dark.") and should be changed to reflect the fact that Mr Dark was to be made a Teensie before he was scrapped and that his appearance was reused (albeit slightly altered) for the Magician. This also means changing the descriptions for [[:File:Char-mr-dark.png|this picture]], and moving the information about the PlayStation Network avatars to the Mr Dark article.

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 Could the user(s) give a valid and coherent reason of why they don't wanna let me edit the article in peace and keep reverting all my edits? Because I didn't get any so far! [[User:Purple bubble|Purple bubble]] ([[User talk:Purple bubble|talk]]) 22:00, 26 September 2023 (CEST)
+:As a consequence of the OP's failure to follow to resolution process detailed [[User talk:Hunchman801#Mr. Dark and The Magician locked indefinitely? Isn't it a little excessive?|here]], this debate is now closed. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 20:29, 30 September 2023 (CEST)
 == Ales Mansay, mixed villains, cousin ==
 The name Ales Mansay is still used by people who worked on Rayman Origins and Legends and on the series in general (including the fact that he was called Mr. Dark before the release of Rayman Origins to avoid spoilers, even on the online stores of PlayStation and XBox), the character is really a mix of the previous villains of the series, and he had a cousin only in the non-canonical educational spin-off English with Rayman, so technically it doesn't count and it needs to be specified, just like for Razorbeard and Razorwife. [[User:Purple bubble|Purple bubble]] ([[User talk:Purple bubble|talk]]) 22:08, 26 September 2023 (CEST)
+:As a consequence of the OP's failure to follow to resolution process detailed [[User talk:Hunchman801#Mr. Dark and The Magician locked indefinitely? Isn't it a little excessive?|here]], this debate is now closed. —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 20:29, 30 September 2023 (CEST)
+==Mr. Dark as a name==
+The [https://raymanpc.com/wiki/script-en/index.php?title=The_Magician&curid=96&diff=93043&oldid=93010 latest changes] to this article added the following line to the trivia section: "In promotional material for Rayman Origins, probably to to [sic] avoid spoilers, he was called Mr Dark."
+Since the references point to a PlayStation Network avatar, this should be referred to as such, rather than the generic "promotional material", but this is not the most important here.
+What matters more is the identity of the character depicted on the avatar itself. As detailed [[Mr Dark#In Rayman Origins|here]], both a 2011 interview and the website for Rayman Origins show that Mr Dark was meant to appear in the game, but was eventually scrapped. Therefore, the character in the avatar, of whom nothing can be seen underneath his hat and cloak, is most likely Mr Dark himself, before he was replaced by the Magician.
+What adds to the confusion is [[:File:Char-mr-dark.png|this picture]], which is currently labeled on this wiki as "The Magician disguised as his idol, Mr Dark" or "The Magician takes on the mantle of Mr Dark". Due to the clothes being identical, this may tend to indicate that the character in the avatar is also the Magician.
+However, boomboleros7 [[Talk:Mr Dark#Could it be Mr. Dark?|brought this up]] as early as 2012, explaining that there is no reason to believe that the character in the second image is in fact the Magician disguised as Mr Dark, but rather Mr Dark before his removal from the game. In short, Mr Dark was originally made a Teensie, and they reused his appearance as the Magician's when he was cut from the game. Boombo's remark was never acted upon on the English wiki, but the French wiki [[:fr:Mr Dark|does]] correctly label this image as Mr Dark and not the Magician.
+Therefore, I believe that the information on the English wiki is erroneous (including remarks such as "The dark character who appeared in the trailer and the site was simply the Magician disguised as Mr Dark.") and should be changed to reflect the fact that Mr Dark was to be made a Teensie before he was scrapped and that his appearance was reused (albeit slightly altered) for the Magician. This also means changing the descriptions for [[:File:Char-mr-dark.png|this picture]], and moving the information about the PlayStation Network avatars to the Mr Dark article.
+What do you guys think about this? —[[File:RRRGBAIcon8.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon0.gif|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]][[File:RRRGBAIcon1.png|class=sprite|link=User:Hunchman801]] 20:29, 30 September 2023 (CEST)