User talk:Sergiomonty

Moskito

Before you go any further, what makes you so sure that Origins has renamed the mosquito species to 'Moskitoes'? It seems to be based mainly on your own conjecture – I haven't seen the word 'Moskito' used as anything other than a name for the individual encountered in R1. Do you have any solid evidence? Usually we consult one another before moving major pages around. —Spiraldoor 18:16, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Reviewers call them "Moskitoes", Michel ancel says "ride a Moskito" in several interviews (that confirms them as species), and the official website states that they're called moskitoes now. There's no reference to "Mosquitoes" anymore in Rayman Origins, just "Moskitoes". There are 4 visible moskitoes in the game, they're all pink, no one seems to be evil, and there are also some baby moskitoes who ironically carry globox (and his skins respectively). The original moskito never befriended Rayman, and this one resembles more Bzzzit. I suggest to leave the articles like this, since there's nothing that affects the difference between Moskitoes and Moskito and I used a disambiguation to avoid confusions. Also, the term "Mosquito" redirects to the species called "Moskito", nothing is lost. --Sergiomonty 18:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually the official website identifies one of them as 'Moskito', and the language used suggests that 'Moskito' is an individual male. I imagine it's quite possible that this 'Moskito' is indeed the same 'Moskito' we met in R1. I doubt the developers would want to bring up the whole 'Bzzit' mess by taking Revolution into account; I've never shaken the impression that there was only one mosquito in R1 anyway, in much the same way that I've always held to my convictions about glutes being Globox's species. I'd also question the validity of reviewers and Ancel calling them 'Moskitoes' – how would the reviewers know the name of the species if all they have to go on is the game itself, and how can you tell Ancel is saying 'Moskitoes' if it's pronounced the same way as 'Moskitoes'?

You're probably right, but it's not as clear-cut as you may think. I'm still not sure if it was a good idea to move the page, as we haven't done that for Darktoons, Lividstones or the Bubble Dreamer, even though those instances of renaming are very clear. Even the sysops don't do stuff like that without discussing it first. —Spiraldoor 18:47, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I thought the bubble dreamer was officially confirmed to be "Polokus" a long time ago. The lividstones are called like this possibly to avoid copyright or identity issues, there are lots of people and places called "Livingstone" or "Livingstones". Also, the darktoons are kind of different from the Antitoons, I can't see how they got related by the fans. Antitoons are "small bodies of dark energy which began to proliferate after Mr Dark stole the Great Protoon". Darktoons are small pieces of nightmares created by Jano. They're completely different... I'm going to separate both articles later. Anyway, let's stop going off-topic there's an example of what I say about the moskito, check this daily bubble:

• DailyBubble #10 – El Mosquito

There's an "Unibrown steppe Moskito". This moskito is completely different to Rayman's moskito, and by the name it has, I can tell its some kind of subspecies from the original moskitoes. And yeah, maybe it was scrapped, but it's a clear evidence of the developers having the idea of turning the word "Moskito" into species more than a character itself. Anyway, I think you're right, we should take more people and discuss about the moskito/mosquito before turning the articles back to what they were before. --Sergiomonty 19:07, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I just mentioned Darktoons and Lividstones as an example, but they're really a whole other kettle of fish. Since both Antitoons and Darktoons are supposed to be the opposite of Electoons, it doesn't really make sense to suggest that they're meant to be different creatures, and if you look closely, you'll notice many similarities between them. I know Antitoons proliferated when Mr Dark stole the Protoon, but then again, piranhas proliferated too, but that doesn't mean that Mr Dark created them. It seems that evil creatures swarm and multiply whenever the natural balance in Rayman's world is disrupted, and go down in population when harmony is restored. As you said, many people and places are called 'Livingstone' – I imagine that's how the R1 team came up with the name in the first place, and you can't copyright a common name (at least not the last time I checked).

The Moskito with the unibrow is another valid point. I don't think we should go back to using 'Mosquito', but I think we should definitely put the actual Moskito page to good use. The articles are currently at Moskito (Rayman 1) and Moskito (species), but it wasn't necessary to move both of them, and generally bracketed annotations like those should be avoided. Maybe we could use Moskito for the R1 boss and Moskitoes for the species? —Spiraldoor 19:26, 17 November 2011 (UTC)