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Sergio – where did you get the name 'Angry Bird'? I think the track listing you've been using was made up by Drolpiraat. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 20:31, 9 May 2012 (CEST)

This name is not official, aswell it doesn't exist an official name for it. I don't know if textures say anything. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 21:57, 9 May 2012 (CEST)
While we're at it, we should also rethink the names of Dragon Chef, Teensette and Ice Teensy, as there don't seem to be any reliable sources identifying them as such. Now I think that the 'Angry Bird' and the Mocking Bird may be the same character after all – on close inspection, they look practically identical, except that the Mocking Bird is more twisted, gnarled and devolved. He was probably warped by the Bubble Dreamer's increasing nightmares. This also closes the plot hole of the Angry Bird's disappearance after the heroes defeat him on their way to the Desert of Dijiridoos. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 22:23, 9 May 2012 (CEST)
It is possible, but there are no evidences that both characters are the same king corrupted twice. I agree about the Ice Teensy thing, but for now I can't think in a better name. Isn't Teensette ok? I know it has got a sense more to the side of "Female Teensie" but what if it could be her name? I can't think in a better name for the Dragon Chef other than Gourmand Land's King or something. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 02:01, 10 May 2012 (CEST)
Geez, then I got it wrong, sorry guys. I'm against of the idea of the Angry Bird being the same character as the Mocking Bird, we don't have enough evidence to proof that, but if the ost titles are fake, then I think we should change it's name. What about Guardian Bird? or maybe the name that we found in the files: "Guardian of the Music World"? The name Teensette is okay, the Bubble Dreamers calls her "Teensetteness". if we remove the -ness (which adds some random adjetive significance), the name that we get is Teensette, and -ette is a stereotypical way to identify a female character by the ending of the name. Uglette is a good example, I don't see why wouldn't this work on a Teensy. And about the Ice Teensy... I don't know, we can't really think about a better name for that one, he wears an ice-themed costume, as opposed to the Fire Teensy, and we don't seem to know anything else. "Dragon Chef" is more like a support name, it's better than calling him by his old name "Fire King" but I don't know, it's all your decission...--Sergiomonty 03:40, 10 May 2012 (CEST)
You really don't see the resemblance between the two bird bosses? All of their basic features are the same, except that the Mocking Bird looks more dishevelled and contorted. He's basically a heroin-addict version of the previous boss. I've uploaded a direct comparison here.
There's really no evidence that the developers intended the female Teensy's name to be 'Teensette'. Yes, the Bubble Dreamer calls her 'Your royal Teensetteness', but that doesn't imply anything abour her name. You could correctly address Queen Elizabeth II as 'Your royal Highness', but that doesn't mean her name is 'High'. I would suggest moving the article to "Female Teensy" or "Her Royal Teensetteness".
I suggest we avoid the Ice Teensy controversy altogether by merging that article with the one for female Teensy. The two characters clearly have a close connection, and not enough information is available to merit a separate page.
I don't know what we should call the Dragon Chef, but the current name is the best unofficial one I can imagine, so we should probably leave that article where it is until we can determine what he's really called. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 18:26, 10 May 2012 (CEST)
I would argue that the Angry Bird and Mocking Bird are two separate characters. Maybe the AB is the MB's spawn or something. --iHeckler9Life.gif 20:13, 10 May 2012 (CEST)
The Hi-Ho Moskito big bird looks more like a corrupted version of the yellow bird enemies of the Moskito level of the Desert. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 23:56, 10 May 2012 (CEST)
Exactly, Haruka. Sorry, but the angry bird is totally not the Mocking Bird, spiraldoor. You can compare the evil looking Mocking Bird and the Angry Bird because they're big and round, and I understand that, but how can you compare the three phases (Good, Angry and Mocking) together? check this evolutionary scale to understand what I'm talking about:
Bossbird a2.png >Angrybird.png> Bossbird a1.png
Where is the crown? or the ponytails? why the brown diaper (or pants) turned into a belt? and why does he turn yellow so suddenly? It's weird, and doesn't seem to work .--Sergiomonty 00:47, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
The similarities between the two birds don't end at 'big and round'. In addition to being the same size and shape, and using the same attacks, they share the same curved, three-clawed feet, the same angular, vestigal wings, the same squinty little eyes with bags under them, the same pointed, spiral-patterned beak, the same five-feathered protrusion on their chests, and the same belt consisting of red, green and blue spheres.
As for the strange colouration of the guardian: it could be a simple error which occurred during the evolution of the game. Maybe the artists based the designs for the little kings on their monstrous appearances and forgot that they had to ensure consistency with the Mocking Bird's intermediate form. Such mistakes aren't surprising in light of the Bzzit/Moskito fiasco, which still confuses me to this day. We know the developers changed their minds about Big Mama and Mamma Hité – who knows what kind of developmental changes and mix-ups the other bosses had to endure? In any case, their designs aren't totally disconnected – if you look closely at the little king's tail feathers, you'll see that they look much more similar to those of the guardian than they do to those of the Mocking Bird. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 16:12, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
First, The colouring error is too theoretical to be proven, and still doesn't explain the lack of crown and the sudden change of clothes (and the crown is too important to be forgotten). Although the changes in Mama Hite to a nymph are notable, the nymph still resembles somehow big mama (hair and dress colour). While the Bzzzit/Moskito colour case is confusing, I think it doesn't have much to do with this game, that kind of programming mistakes should have been corrected a long time ago, technology has evolved. I forgot to mention something, some birds have slanted eyelids, like the Blowing Bird; curiously, in your evolutionary scale, only the Angry Bird has them, while both the good and bad Mocking Birds have fully opened eyes. Now, the similar-looking legs are not really something of big importance, both are birds, that's normal, and ubiart reuses tons of sprites to make different enemies; a good example is the Baby Dragon Chef, the Baby Dragon Waiter, and the Baby Dragon Germ. I seriously need thoughts from other people, I'm completely sure that the Angry Bird is not the same as the Mocking Bird, the differences are too drastic, and the lack of crown is the thing that most worries me.--Sergiomonty 16:54, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
Well we asked the developers about the Magician/Mr Dark fiasco, maybe we could do the same here? The person responding didn't seem too angry when we asked her. --iHeckler9Life.gif 17:58, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
I'm not sure if that's a good a idea, we decided to stop doing that so fans couldn't ask questions everytime they can, we don't really want to become an annoying fanbase for the developers. However, if we decide to do it in JUST this case, uhm... then I suggest to first ask if they're the same character, If they aren't then we must ask the real name of the Angry Bird, just to kill two birds with one stone (no pun intended).--Sergiomonty 18:19, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
*We* didn't ask the developers about the identity of the Rayman Origins villain: one of our members took it upon himself without consulting us. It worked out for the best, but that was a much more important question than this, and we really don't want to get ourselves a reputation for harassing developers with fanboyish questions on their Facebook pages. I think we're smart enough to figure out what's going on with the birds ourselves. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 20:41, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
I don't agree in the fact that "the attacks are equal". The Corrupted King flies with a bird swarm and gives headbutts, while the Hi-Ho Moskito bird doesn't. The only common attacks they have are harming the character by physical contact or getting caught by the wind and going inside the birds' beaks. One distinct attack of the Hi-Ho Moskito guardian is the helicopter bomb inhaling and spitting. I don't believe they are the same character, aswell there are no direct or clear evidences to speculate such, even if there are some clothing and physical similarities. For me they are different characters, like the Bzzit/Moskito fact, and I believe more in my theory that the Hi-Ho Moskito is a corrupted version of the regular bird enemies. It is the closest and most coerent thing I can think at the moment, and I don't find this impossible since the Darktoons/Antitoons are also corrupted versions of Electoons so it can affect any creature of the Glade. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 20:05, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
I could drag this out for another while, but I see that no one agrees.
Moving on: I don't think Guardian Bird is an appropriate title. Why create a name when we already have a perfectly official one – Guardian of the Music World? The current title of the Giant Eel page is also unofficial: we should move it to Guardian of the Ocean World. And could someone remind me how Mini-Murray fits into all this (and why he doesn't have an article)? —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 20:41, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
Those sound better for me, if "Guardian of Desert of the Dijiridoos" and "Guardian of the Sea of Serendipity" look too big. Aren't Mini-Murrays those invincible carnivourous fishes that ocasionally appear in level fragments (not to be confused with Baby Piranhas)? Would this mean that the Last King is a bigger Murray? This would be confusing because the real form of the Last King is a shrimp. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 20:58, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
Murray's also a dragon, and to complicate matters further, his name is a pun on 'moray', which is a type of eel. It seems that the developers couldn't make up their minds what sort of creature they wanted him to be. The 'moray' link strengthens his connection with the Mini-Murrays, who appear in the 'Aim for the Eel' level. There's an icon on the map called 'moray.png', but I'm not sure if it's Mini-Murray or the Guardian of the Ocean World – I've just noticed that they look very similar indeed.
We know that the last king is simply named Murray. I would hazard a guess that the Mini-Murrays are his offspring, and that the Guardian of the Ocean World is also related to him in some way. The same may be true of the Mocking Bird and the Guardian of the Music World. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 22:23, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
I agree, Guardian of the Music World sounds better. However, this brings back an old problem I was thinking about. The idea of calling an article Desert of Dijiridoos to talk about both the Desert of Dijiridoos and the Grumbling Grottos seems kinda inappropiate. I propose to use the specific nomenclatures that we found in droolie's files to name the lands, to avoid giving priority only to the first four worlds. Jungle World, Music World, Food World and Ocean World, If you all agree, we can rename the articles. By the way, let's keep the Giant Eel article, Giant Eels appear to be species, they can be seen in various levels; we can create an article for the Guardian of the Ocean World, who acts as the boss of Gourmand Land's frontier and is in fact a Giant Eel.--Sergiomonty 22:09, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
Your suggestion that we move the world articles does make sense, but 'Jungle World' and so on are extremely dull names that don't do justice to the game at all. For the time being, I'd rather stick with the current names, even if they are semi-inappropriate. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 22:23, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
I am not in favour of the current name: it's already extremely long and contrived, so we could as well change it to 'Guardian of the Desert of Dijiridoos'; to quote Spiral, 'Music World' sounds 'extremely dull [and doesn't] do justice to the game at all'. I believe 'Angry bird' or 'Guardian bird' are much better alternatives.
As concerns the names of the worlds, please continue the discussion here: Talk:Rayman_Origins#Worlds.
As concerns the giant eel, please read my remarks here: Talk:Guardian of the Ocean World.
RRRGBAIcon8.pngRRRGBAIcon0.gifRRRGBAIcon1.png 18:54, 21 May 2012 (CEST)

Official name finally confirmed?

In Rayman Jungle Run, several names of previously unknown characters are revealed at the game's gallery (check the video in the Rayman Origins' topic). This bird is named "Boss Bird". I think we have an official name now. Thoughts? --Sergiomonty 22:22, 8 September 2012 (CEST)

I agree in that. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 22:30, 8 September 2012 (CEST)
In some levels of Rayman Fiesta Run, that bird is called Tchip-tchip (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdulS892AG5YS7A0-0LpQEA/videos).
Do you think this is better than "Boss Bird"? --Boomboleros7 05:08, 18 May 2015 (CEST)
I don't think so. Reminds me of the discussion we had about the level "Cui-cui pas content" and whether the boss was meant to be called "Cui-cui" and this seems to be the same level. —RRRGBAIcon8.pngRRRGBAIcon0.gifRRRGBAIcon1.png 18:52, 18 May 2015 (CEST)
The best option is probably to note the alternate name within the article itself (eg. Boss Bird, also known as Tchip-Tchip) --Sig5 2TEST.png 14:29, 23 May 2015 (CEST)
I disagree, as explained here. —RRRGBAIcon8.pngRRRGBAIcon0.gifRRRGBAIcon1.png 14:53, 24 May 2015 (CEST)